Martin to address the country

[Sammie]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 20 2005, 11:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 20 2005, 11:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

As I said after Martin's last speech: "What the HECK did he just finish saying?" :unsure: :blush: :huhsign:

Are you really as stunned as you come across?[/b][/quote]
Stunned? What's that? Is that a complement? ;_; :wacko: :huhsign: :stupid:

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Sammie+Apr 21 2005, 12:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sammie @ Apr 21 2005, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Are you really as stunned as you come across?

Stunned? What's that? Is that a complement? ;_; :wacko: :huhsign: :stupid: [/b][/quote]
I'll take that as a yes.

[peter12]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 20 2005, 11:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 20 2005, 11:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sammie@Apr 20 2005, 11:03 PM
The only other problem when Martin speaks is that after he has spoken whatever he speaks everybody turns to the person sitting next to them and asks the same question: "What the heck did he just finish saying?!!!"

Martin has perfected the political gift of stringing together 1,000s of words while saying nothing that commits him to anything that he can't back out of when the going gets tough.

I'm sure he'll have a great excuse to present us tomorrow about why he's been playing hooky from the House of Commons all week long and we'll all have apologize to him and beg him to call an election so we can hand him a massive majority. O_o

It's like a goddamn broken record in here...

"The Liberals just keep playing politics, that's why they win wah wah wah".

What the hell do some of you people expect? Technicalities, backstabbing, bull*******, outsmarting, outfoxing, obfuscating... that's what they all do.

Just because the conservatives suck at everything so bad that this blatant corruption scandal still doesn't give them a slam dunk isn't the fault of the Liberal party.

In other news, I'm really sick of the Brandon Wheat Kings. All they did was score more goals and that's why they win. [/b][/quote]
So the kool-aid is good?

Wake up and see the Liberals for what they are.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 21 2005, 12:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 21 2005, 12:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Stunned? What's that? Is that a complement? ;_; :wacko: :huhsign: :stupid:

I'll take that as a yes.[/b][/quote]
I'm sssooo tired!!! Do you mind going to bed so I can get the last word in here?

[Radically Red]

I suspect Martin will say he has no knowledge of what happend.
This Government is looking to find out whats wrong.... its not his fault. BLah blah blah.

look at what we have done blah blah blah.

Bad Torries want to destroy the canada health act. we will fight to support it blah blah blah.

We are the best, everyone else is bad. blah blah blah..


Usual political Crap.... What if this happend in the States... would this be another watergate??? up here its just par for the course.

[transplant99]

Clearly this move is for NO other reason than to try and save his own ass.

You left-leaners crack me up. You say "wow...the PM is just playing politics".

Really?

Name me ONE other time a PM of canada has taken to prime time television to address the country about his own party's misgivings/corruption/criminal activities.

Here is a list of the times PM's have hijacked Canadian airwaves for something other than fodder during an election campaign.

* 1970 - Pierre Trudeau: Invoked the War Measures Act to deal with the October Crisis brought on by FLQ terrorists.

* 1975 - Pierre Trudeau: Announces wage and price controls.

* 1978 - Pierre Trudeau: With Canada's deficit and debt soaring, the PM talks about the urgent need to get the nation's finances in order.

* 1986 - Brian Mulroney: Announces the opening of free trade negotiations with the U.S.

* 1990 - Brian Mulroney: Announces the failure of the Meech Lake Accord.

* 1995 - Jean Chretien: Addresses the nation prior to the Quebec referendum that came close to breaking up Canada.

* April 21 - Paul Martin: To address the nation to save himself and his party from electoral oblivion.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/N...006429-sun.html

[Flame On]

Paul Martin is going to come on and say "I kill puppies, punch grandmothers, and wear fur." It's going to be hilarious when I vote green and you all vote blue and still the liberals win or the cons win for what 3 months before we ride them out for being complete bumblers. :P
You right leaners crack me up.

[transplant99]

Originally posted by Flame On@Apr 21 2005, 09:46 AM
Paul Martin is going to come on and say "I kill puppies, punch grandmothers, and wear fur." It's going to be hilarious when I vote green and you all vote blue and still the liberals win or the cons win for what 3 months before we ride them out for being complete bumblers. :P
You right leaners crack me up.

Good job avoiding the issue and my question.

Im glad you find it funny that the Government of Canada is looking like a banana republic dictatorship in complete freefall, trying to avoid a Coup d''etat. Really helps the international image of our country. Well done.

If the "cons" are "bumblers"....exactly how would you describe the Fibs?

[Lurch]

Im glad you find it funny that the Government of Canada is looking like a banana republic dictatorship in complete freefall, trying to avoid a Coup d''etat. Really helps the international image of our country. Well done.

I thought it was the left that was supposed to be hysterical and over-react to everything. I agree it's a horrible thing for a PM to address citizens directly - only in a banana republic would a leader take the extraordinary measure like this. We should ban entirely all pronouncements from MP's, PM's, premiers (I notice you don't rail on about Mr. Klein's annual 'fireside chats' which are little more than PC promotional pieces paid for by the taxpayer) and MLA's.

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper will also speak to Canadians after Martin's address, a senior Harper spokesman said yesterday.

- from the Sun article as well.

Given that this is a dictatorship, Harper better be careful what he says or he will end up 'disappeared'. Or maybe the fact that Harper will be replying just shows Martin can't even run a banana republic properly by silencing the critics??

[peter12]

Originally posted by Flame On@Apr 21 2005, 07:46 AM
Paul Martin is going to come on and say "I kill puppies, punch grandmothers, and wear fur." It's going to be hilarious when I vote green and you all vote blue and still the liberals win or the cons win for what 3 months before we ride them out for being complete bumblers. :P
You right leaners crack me up.

I really don't understand this whole "Oh don't vote for the Cons, they'll just fata everything up!" arguement.

You mean to tell me that the Tories, who have some of the best economic minds in the world, let alone Canada, are going to destroy everything this nation has come to stand for?

[transplant99]

Again another Fib that ignores the issue and tries to muddy it up with anything other than an answer.


Follow along now....this is the FIRST TIME in the country's history a PM has taken to the airwaves to try and save his party and possibly himself from becoming a complete and utter non-entity.

If you dont think this is making Canada look like a joke ( not just tonights "speech" but the whole adscam debacle), you are clearly not aware of what's happening.

Where did I say that PM's, MP's, Premiers, Mayors etc...shouldnt talk to their constituents anyhow?

I didnt....just another made up falsity from a Fiberal. Its getting old.

Happens all the time when talking about platform shifts, bills being passed, tragedies befalling fellow countrymen etc.....but never has it happened because a sitting leader is trying to save his ass.

As for Harper talking AFTER Martin....what the hell should he do? He is the leader of the opposition for god sakes, it's his JOB...hey maybe Martin can have that airtime cancelled though, through his "moral authority to govern"...much like the opposition day he just derailed.

Would fit perfectly in the Fiberals agenda afterall.

[Hakan]

Originally posted by peter12+Apr 21 2005, 07:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peter12 @ Apr 21 2005, 07:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flame On@Apr 21 2005, 07:46 AM
Paul Martin is going to come on and say "I kill puppies, punch grandmothers, and wear fur." It's going to be hilarious when I vote green and you all vote blue and still the liberals win or the cons win for what 3 months before we ride them out for being complete bumblers. :P
You right leaners crack me up.

I really don't understand this whole "Oh don't vote for the Cons, they'll just fata everything up!" arguement.

You mean to tell me that the Tories, who have some of the best economic minds in the world, let alone Canada, are going to destroy everything this nation has come to stand for? [/b][/quote]
Best right wing economic minds you mean. Economics is not like science in that you can be relatively unbiased. It's a social science which allows for stink loads of interpretation, opinion and bias. So if you don't agree with those right wing economic policies you wont vote for them no matter how 'brilliant' they seem to be. It's not like the previous Federal Conservatives left this country in a particularly great economic position. Why would these tax cutters be any different?

[MarchHare]

I really don't understand this whole "Oh don't vote for the Cons, they'll just fata everything up!" arguement.

You mean to tell me that the Tories, who have some of the best economic minds in the world, let alone Canada, are going to destroy everything this nation has come to stand
for?

Fiscally, I'm moderately right-leaning anyway, so I'm not worried about how a potential CPC government would manage the country's budget (unlike the NDP, who really scare me in this department). I certain they would continue with balanced or suplus budgets as the Liberals have done for the last eight years.

It's the CPC policy towards social issues that bothers me. I'm a strong supporter of allowing same-sex marriage. The Conservatives would try to counter recent court rulings on this issue (seeing as how they tried and failed to kill the proposed bill last week). They haven't ruled out using the notwithstanding clause to block gay marriage, which really bothers me, since to use the clause, by definition, is taking away the constitutional rights of certain Canadians. I disagree with only allowing civil union to homosexual couples -- seperate but equal is not equal. I don't trust the Conservatives to keep abortion as legal and available as it is now. Yes, I know that the party recently dropped their pro-life stance from their platform, but let's face facts; that was only done because they knew they were turning off a very large percentage of voters because of that policy. When so many CPC members have been outspoken critics of abortion for so long, I find it hard to believe that they've had a sudden change of heart on the issue and wouldn't push their pro-life agenda if they were ever in a position to do so. I don't trust the CPC to not send Canadian troops on misguided military adventures just to suck up to the US. Given that they were so gung-ho to go to Iraq, even with the absence of WMDs and ties to Al Qaeda, I can't see their position changing should Bush decide to invade Syria or Iran or whatever. In fact, it seems to me that Conservative policy in foreign matters almost always comes down to doing whatever will please the US the most in order to protect our trade relationship with them*, whether that's what Canadians want or not. Make no mistake, we are America's ally, not their lapdog.

*Oddly enough, Canadian exports to the US actually increased despite us not joining the Iraq war. Funny that.

[peter12]

Originally posted by Hakan+Apr 21 2005, 09:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hakan @ Apr 21 2005, 09:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I really don't understand this whole "Oh don't vote for the Cons, they'll just fata everything up!" arguement.

You mean to tell me that the Tories, who have some of the best economic minds in the world, let alone Canada, are going to destroy everything this nation has come to stand for?

Best right wing economic minds you mean. Economics is not like science in that you can be relatively unbiased. It's a social science which allows for stink loads of interpretation, opinion and bias. So if you don't agree with those right wing economic policies you wont vote for them no matter how 'brilliant' they seem to be. It's not like the previous Federal Conservatives left this country in a particularly great economic position. Why would these tax cutters be any different? [/b][/quote]
Well Keynesian interventionist policies sure helped us alot 20 years ago.

Harper is recognized by left and right thinkers as a guy who knows his economics inside and out.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by transplant99@Apr 21 2005, 08:54 AM
Again another Fib that ignores the issue and tries to muddy it up with anything other than an answer.


Follow along now....this is the FIRST TIME in the country's history a PM has taken to the airwaves to try and save his party and possibly himself from becoming a complete and utter non-entity.

If you dont think this is making Canada look like a joke ( not just tonights "speech" but the whole adscam debacle), you are clearly not aware of what's happening.

Where did I say that PM's, MP's, Premiers, Mayors etc...shouldnt talk to their constituents anyhow?

I didnt....just another made up falsity from a Fiberal. Its getting old.

Happens all the time when talking about platform shifts, bills being passed, tragedies befalling fellow countrymen etc.....but never has it happened because a sitting leader is trying to save his ass.

As for Harper talking AFTER Martin....what the hell should he do? He is the leader of the opposition for god sakes, it's his JOB...hey maybe Martin can have that airtime cancelled though, through his "moral authority to govern"...much like the opposition day he just derailed.

Would fit perfectly in the Fiberals agenda afterall.

Oh my god! It's the FIRST time? Outrageous! Inconceivable!

What exactly is it you are trying to prove by hammering on that point transplant? You win. It's the first time. What's the difference? There was also a "first time" someone went on the radio. Were you this upset the first time the Liberals put up a website to advance their agenda?

I know you live in the States so maybe you can do a little experiment. Go out on the street and ask some random people what they think of Paul Martin going live on TV tonight.

I'm going to guess the answer will be a lot closer to "Who is Paul Martin?" than "This adscam debacle is really making Canada look like a joke, and this live television performance is the icing on the cake".

On the wider scale -- it's just another example of crooked politicians. The way you are reacting you'd think political corruption is unprecedented in world history.

[transplant99]

Way to TRY and downplay the issue at hand and attempt more deflection.

I will let you in on a secret Rouge... many folks are more than aware of the Adscam scandal. Many Americans are more than a little ticked at Canada, not so much for the non-support in Iraq, but for commenst that were plastered all over the airwaves down here by LIBERAL MP's.

Now you think the right leaners in the media down here are letting this scandal go by without mention? Give your head a shake man.

Does it mean much to the average person in the US....nope. Doesnt mean its not being covered.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/04/...reut/index.html

Jason Kenney was on FOX news answering questions just yesterday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,88190,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7587745/

And as far as this assinine comment...

Oh my god! It's the FIRST time? Outrageous! Inconceivable!

What exactly is it you are trying to prove by hammering on that point transplant? You win. It's the first time. What's the difference? There was also a "first time" someone went on the radio.

Give me a fataing break. This not about someone going on TV "for the first time" as PM....its about how self-serving it is to the crook and his friends.

I cant believe you arent absolutely outraged at this....I guess anything the left does is OK in your world though.

I wonder if you would be feeling different if it was a "christian" rightie who was taing up time to save his ass instead?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by transplant99@Apr 21 2005, 03:57 PM
I wonder if you would be feeling different if it was a "christian" rightie who was taing up time to save his ass instead?

Wouldn't surprise or shock me. Most people are resigned to the fact that politicians in this current system are corrupt and self serving to an extent.

One thing I think is funny Transplant is that you call a bunch of the people on this board Liberal supporters. It's true a lot of us won't vote conservative and have liberal idealogies but that doesn't mean we voted Liberal or will in the future even though we argue against Conservatives. Being anti-Conservative does not mean you're automatically pro-Liberal.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by transplant99@Apr 21 2005, 03:57 PM

And as far as this assinine comment...

Give me a fataing break. This not about someone going on TV "for the first time" as PM....its about how self-serving it is to the crook and his friends.

It's not the first time this has happened anyway.

Saw on the news yesterday that Chretien did it in 1995, Mulroney did it around the time he was trying to push through the Meech Lake Accord, and Trudeau did it during the FLQ crisis.

Personally, I see nothing wrong when a nations democratically elected leader feels the need to address the nation.

[transplant99]

One thing I think is funny Transplant is that you call a bunch of the people on this board Liberal supporters. It's true a lot of us won't vote conservative and have liberal idealogies but that doesn't mean we voted Liberal or will in the future.

So you agree they need to be ousted ASAP??

[transplant99]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction+Apr 21 2005, 12:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlamesAddiction @ Apr 21 2005, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-transplant99@Apr 21 2005, 03:57 PM

And as far as this assinine comment...

Give me a fataing break. This not about someone going on TV "for the first time" as PM....its about how self-serving it is to the crook and his friends.

It's not the first time this has happened anyway.

Saw on the news yesterday that Chretien did it in 1995, Mulroney did it around the time he was trying to push through the Meech Lake Accord, and Trudeau did it during the FLQ crisis.

Personally, I see nothing wrong when a nations democratically elected leader feels the need to address the nation. [/b][/quote]
Might want to read a few posts above...i detailed each time its happened and what it was for.

This "reason" is simply, unprecedented.