New Pope elected...

[Mike F]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Apr 19 2005, 11:22 AM
In 1945 he was 18, but in what years was he part of the Hitler Youth? I think the Hitler Youth started before WWII.

The Hitler Youth existed fron '22 to '35, was for boys age 14 to 18, and after '38 was mandatory for all German young men.

[peter12]

Originally posted by fotze+Apr 19 2005, 12:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Apr 19 2005, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I don't know...

As I said, there were people who stood up for what was right and paid the price for it.

This guy was 18 in 1945, old enough to know what was going on.

Others countries have some culpibility for those atrocities by not standing up. Like Denmark. [/b][/quote]
Denmark did have a somewhat mixed record during the Second World War.

I'm not trying to trumpet my own greatness, I am just saying that being a member of Hitler Youth in your teens is not exactly great points in your favour.

But I was wrong, I did some searching around the Jerusalem Post.

He actually fled the Hitler Youth and German Army, his father was also an anti-Nazi. He has been characterized through his 60 years in the Catholic Church by encouraging Jewish-Catholic relations.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by peter12@Apr 19 2005, 12:16 PM
As I said, there were people who stood up for what was right and paid the price for it.

This guy was 18 in 1945, old enough to know what was going on.

Ya, they died. I would have signed up for the Hilter youth instead of you know, dying when I was 18 years of age.

18 is just a year out of high school, hardly the age to know everything that is going on. I honestly don't see how anyone can hold this against him. He was a young pup at 18, either join up, or die. Come on.

[peter12]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Apr 19 2005, 12:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Apr 19 2005, 12:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-peter12@Apr 19 2005, 12:16 PM
As I said, there were people who stood up for what was right and paid the price for it.

This guy was 18 in 1945, old enough to know what was going on.

Ya, they died. I would have signed up for the Hilter youth instead of you know, dying when I was 18 years of age.

18 is just a year out of high school, hardly the age to know everything that is going on. I honestly don't see how anyone can hold this against him. He was a young pup at 18, either join up, or die. Come on. [/b][/quote]
At 18, you would have a pretty good idea of what the Hitler Youth was all about...

What if it was shoot a Jew/Gypsy/Slav in the back of the head or die?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by peter12@Apr 19 2005, 12:33 PM
At 18, you would have a pretty good idea of what the Hitler Youth was all about...

Ya, I disagree. At 18 I liked to think I knew about things I was getting myself into, but you know, I didn't. At 18 I doubt he had much of a clue exactly what was going on around Germany etc.

By the way, the entrance into the Hitler Youth was never shoot a jew in the back of the head, so that has nothing to do with this conversation. Stick to what actually happend, not some made up "what if" scenario.

[FlamesAddiction]

Was he still in it when he was 18 though? What's the timeline?

For all we know, he was in it in 1936 and quit in 1940.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Apr 19 2005, 12:37 PM
For all we know, he was in it in 1936 and quit in 1940.

Exactly, I bet he was 14 when he was forced to sign up.

[peter12]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Apr 19 2005, 12:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Apr 19 2005, 12:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-peter12@Apr 19 2005, 12:33 PM
At 18, you would have a pretty good idea of what the Hitler Youth was all about...

Ya, I disagree. At 18 I liked to think I knew about things I was getting myself into, but you know, I didn't. At 18 I doubt he had much of a clue exactly what was going on around Germany etc.

By the way, the entrance into the Hitler Youth was never shoot a jew in the back of the head, so that has nothing to do with this conversation. Stick to what actually happend, not some made up "what if" scenario. [/b][/quote]
The whole Hitler Youth doctrine was based on racism, so the scenario I came up with isn't completely made up.

Many Germans knew what something was going on with the Jew. Germany had a history of strong anti-semitism, most people just didn't care so much.

[peter12]

Here is the article... you'll have to register.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pag...d=1113704370906

It seems he was forced to join in 1942, when he turned 14 and managed to quit the year after. It seems like the Nazi Pope allegations are false.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by peter12@Apr 19 2005, 12:39 PM
I came up with isn't completely made up.

Actually, it is made up. 100% made up, your odd entrance test never happned, total "what if" scenario. Doesn't make sence to agrue it since it didn't happen.

I am not going to hold what a 78 year old man did as a 14-18 year old under Hitler and the Nazi regim.

[peter12]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Apr 19 2005, 12:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Apr 19 2005, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-peter12@Apr 19 2005, 12:39 PM
I came up with isn't completely made up.

Actually, it is made up. 100% made up, your odd entrance test never happned, total "what if" scenario. Doesn't make sence to agrue it since it didn't happen.

I am not going to hold what a 78 year old man did as a 14-18 year old under Hitler and the Nazi regim. [/b][/quote]
I'm not saying it wasn't an entrance test, where did I say that? It is a scenario that is possible for members of the Hitler Youth to carry out.

[CaramonLS]

I'll ignore all the choice/no choice comments, but still I think this is a little disturbing.

In those early years when you are indoctrinated, its very very hard to get it out of you. Its not a mark on his character really, its more that somethings are just very hard to undue and I know that plenty of the Hilter Youth had a very hard time in the transition period.

Don't underestimate the power of indoctrination.

[habernac]

I'm more disappointed with his hard line, old school stance than something he was forced to be a part of 60+ years ago.

[Hack&Lube]

This German guy was nicknamed "God's Rottweiler" and he looks the part. Certainly I'm sure he's a nice fellow and all but he just isn't as gentle looking as John Paul II. He's a very conservative character and I thought the Vatican was trying to get away from that but all the hubbub about being more progressive and better integrating the 3rd world and even Italy seems to have been nothing but white smoke.

[Calgary Flames]

First pics of the new Pope

[Crazy Flamer]

He was known as the "Enforcer." No doubt about it he's a hardline conservative. There were priests that were known for their liberal teachings in the past. Ratzinger was the one that relieved them of their duties, basically telling them they weren't allowed to stray from the party line. Way to promote free thought and free speech.

I'm a Catholic, but the election of Ratzinger as the new pope does not sitl well with me. What kind of a church tells people not to use their own brains, that the Church will do all the thinking for them?


edit: spelling

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I think The Emperor is slightly left of this guy.

[Table 5]

Originally posted by Crazy Flamer@Apr 19 2005, 06:57 PM
He was known as the "Enforcer." No doubt about it he's a hardline conservative. There were priests that were known for their liberal teachings in the past. Ratzinger was the one that relieved them of their duties, basically telling them they weren't allowed to stray from the party line. Way to promote free thought and free speech.

I'm a Catholic, but the election of Ratzinger as the new pope does not sitl well with me. What kind of a church tells people not to use their own brains, that the Church will do all the thinking for them?


edit: spelling

hhh, i wonder why Bob Goodenow sprung to mind while reading your thread...

[Reggie Dunlop]

Hot damn! I win a sausage!

A friend of mine of the Italian persuasion and myself have had a running bet for over a decade now in regards to German/Italian competitions. Until now, it had revolved around World Cup/Euro Cup soccer bets.

Naturally, I took Ratzinger and I even spotted my friend the "any Italian cardinal" option.

Why a sausage? Why not? I think it originally had it's genesis over a heated debate on the qualities of German vs. Italian smoked meats.

[Hack&Lube]

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