"Liberals worse than the mafia"

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by MarchHare+Apr 12 2005, 07:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MarchHare @ Apr 12 2005, 07:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Snakeeye@Apr 12 2005, 07:37 AM
Also, latest poll, according to Cjay this morning:

Conservatives: 30%
Liberals: 27%
NDP: 19%

The Libs have lost 7 points in a week.

Interesting to contrast that with the results from last year's election:

Liberal: 36.71%
Conservative: 29.61%
NDP: 15.69%

Based on those numbers, the Liberals have lost support, but nobody is going to the Conservative side. Those damn Easterners don't know what's good for the country! [/b][/quote]
Comparing election results to poll results isnt really valid.

Mainly because every poll will have a different answer. An EKOS poll I ran across today:

CPC: 36.2% +7 points
Liberals: 25% -9 points

But, as was mentioned, these polls are very premature. Given a likely election date is 2-3 months away, things can change rapidly.

[Mike Oxlong]

Originally posted by Snakeeye+Apr 12 2005, 05:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snakeeye @ Apr 12 2005, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tron_fdc@Apr 12 2005, 09:47 AM
PC, Conservative, whatever it's called. Too bad it's no longer C.R.A.P (canadian reform alliance party). That was kinda funny.

I heard there were more than a few high ranking Libs that are afraid they won't get re-elected unless they cross. It was on TV last night, and I can't remember the names.

According to the Sun, five Liberal MPs are actively considering crossing the floor, inlcuding one of two Alberta Lib MPs - David Kilgour. [/b][/quote]
That really bothers me that MP's are allowed to cross over to another party. To me it is totally ridiculous.

I mean the people voted them in based on their Liberal values (or lack of) and beliefs. These people voted Liberal and want to be represented by a Liberal. How the hell can these MP's just decide that they are now going to represent their constituency as a Conservative now? Do they just assume that the constituents are cool with changing their views from Liberal to Conservative?

No way that should happen. There should have to be a by election. That is a decision for the people to make in a democracy not the MP.

I am Conservative and would love to have them in power but they way they are doing it isn't right.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Mike Oxlong+Apr 12 2005, 05:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike Oxlong @ Apr 12 2005, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

According to the Sun, five Liberal MPs are actively considering crossing the floor, inlcuding one of two Alberta Lib MPs - David Kilgour.

That really bothers me that MP's are allowed to cross over to another party. To me it is totally ridiculous.

I mean the people voted them in based on their Liberal values (or lack of) and beliefs. These people voted Liberal and want to be represented by a Liberal. How the hell can these MP's just decide that they are now going to represent their constituency as a Conservative now? Do they just assume that the constituents are cool with changing their views from Liberal to Conservative?

No way that should happen. There should have to be a by election. That is a decision for the people to make in a democracy not the MP.

I am Conservative and would love to have them in power but they way they are doing it isn't right. [/b][/quote]
If I'm not mistaken they are talking about changing alliances for the potential upcoming election. Which renders a lot of your complaints null and void.

[Mike Oxlong]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher+Apr 12 2005, 05:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flames Draft Watcher @ Apr 12 2005, 05:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

That really bothers me that MP's are allowed to cross over to another party. To me it is totally ridiculous.

I mean the people voted them in based on their Liberal values (or lack of) and beliefs. These people voted Liberal and want to be represented by a Liberal. How the hell can these MP's just decide that they are now going to represent their constituency as a Conservative now? Do they just assume that the constituents are cool with changing their views from Liberal to Conservative?

No way that should happen. There should have to be a by election. That is a decision for the people to make in a democracy not the MP.

I am Conservative and would love to have them in power but they way they are doing it isn't right.

If I'm not mistaken they are talking about changing alliances for the potential upcoming election. Which renders a lot of your complaints null and void. [/b][/quote]
Ok maybe I misunderstood. However this has happened numerous times in the past with no upcoming election which make all my points completely valid. I am sure it is going to happen in the future as well.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by transplant99@Apr 12 2005, 04:38 AM
"AdScam makes the Liberal party the No. 1 organized crime gang in the country," says Lavigne.

"It's been pretty clear for a long time," says Lavigne, a best-selling author of several books about the notorious biker gang.

"In terms of being deceitful, it appears the politicians and bureaucrats involved in AdScam have hurt more people than organized crime ever has in this country," he says.

This should surprise no one IMO. The Liberal party has been doing business like this for decades, but were able to keep a lid on it with hush money to key people. This time it has gotten away from them.

"They (the Liberals) have hurt each and every one of us as taxpayers and voters by first of all stealing from us, but more importantly by undermining our faith in the political system," says Lavigne.

Even some of their own have had enough.

Edmonton-area Liberal MP David Kilgour is considering crossing the floor to the Conservatives along with several other Liberal MPs.

"If you draw up a thing to make people want to vomit, this is it," Kilgour told Bell on Thursday.

"You can mumble the line, it's about a few people, but there's really nothing you can say.

"The Liberal party is seen as looking on the public trust as a vulture looks on a dying calf. Here we are, a G-7 country, acting like a northern banana republic. What country is seen as more politically corrupt than us at the mo-ment?" Kilgour asked.

"Canada is no longer the shining beacon on the hill. We have fallen and the patience of Canadians is finished."

Good.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/N...992781-sun.html

Wow. That's quite the article. Did anyone else get the impression that the extensively quoted "expert" didn't inhale once during the entire interview? Man he was on a roll. He must have a few speeding tickets as well because he roasts the RCMP pretty good.

What country is seen as more politically corrupt than us at the mo-ment?" Kilgour asked.

I can only think of two others in North America and maybe only a hundred in Asia, Africa, South America and Europe.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Snakeeye+Apr 12 2005, 05:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snakeeye @ Apr 12 2005, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tron_fdc@Apr 12 2005, 09:47 AM
PC, Conservative, whatever it's called. Too bad it's no longer C.R.A.P (canadian reform alliance party). That was kinda funny.

I heard there were more than a few high ranking Libs that are afraid they won't get re-elected unless they cross. It was on TV last night, and I can't remember the names.

According to the Sun, five Liberal MPs are actively considering crossing the floor, inlcuding one of two Alberta Lib MPs - David Kilgour. [/b][/quote]
Makes a lot of sense for the Alberta based ones. The Liberals will probably be villified here in Conservative-Land (Alberta) far worse than anywhere else in the country. I'd be surprised if any were elected in the next election. Kilgour is just looking out for himself if he makes the switch, it would be a smart move if he wants to stay in office.

[Clarkey]

I like Harper and I think he would be a good PM but unfortunately I don't think he has the charisma or "star appeal" to bring the party where it needs to go.

After seeing and hearing Peter MacKay I think he is just what the party needs to give it that oomph in Ontario. Harper should step down for 'family reasons' and let Peter control the helm.

[Bertuzzied]

The only way i would ever vote for the federal conservatives is if Rob Anders dies or if Ralph Klein would run for PM.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally posted by MarchHare@Apr 12 2005, 09:06 AM

Heh. I tought my remark was so sarcastic and over the top that nobody would take it seriously. I'm not sure if it's because of your sarcasm-detection skills or the fact that my last post isn't too far removed from some of the other typical anti-Liberal posts on this board that you didn't realize I was being facetious.

My bad, didn't pick it up.
I hear and read statements like that all the time, so I just assumed you were another Rutherford fan on a rant about Ontario.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by Bertuzzied@Apr 12 2005, 11:24 AM
The only way i would ever vote for the federal conservatives is if Rob Anders dies or if Ralph Klein would run for PM.

What is with the hatred for Rob Anders, I could never figure this one out.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher+Apr 12 2005, 05:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flames Draft Watcher @ Apr 12 2005, 05:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

That really bothers me that MP's are allowed to cross over to another party. To me it is totally ridiculous.

I mean the people voted them in based on their Liberal values (or lack of) and beliefs. These people voted Liberal and want to be represented by a Liberal. How the hell can these MP's just decide that they are now going to represent their constituency as a Conservative now? Do they just assume that the constituents are cool with changing their views from Liberal to Conservative?

No way that should happen. There should have to be a by election. That is a decision for the people to make in a democracy not the MP.

I am Conservative and would love to have them in power but they way they are doing it isn't right.

If I'm not mistaken they are talking about changing alliances for the potential upcoming election. Which renders a lot of your complaints null and void. [/b][/quote]
I'm not sure about this, and maybe someone can clarify, but I believe they can in fact cross to another party. Wasn't there an MP that was elected Liberal 2 elections ago that did it? Or he became independant or something? I seem to recall something like that happening.

[albertGQ]

Originally posted by Tron_fdc@Apr 12 2005, 01:09 PM
I'm not sure about this, and maybe someone can clarify, but I believe they can in fact cross to another party. Wasn't there an MP that was elected Liberal 2 elections ago that did it? Or he became independant or something? I seem to recall something like that happening.

I think you are talking about Parrish. Martin kicked her out and she bacame independant

[MarchHare]

I'm not sure about this, and maybe someone can clarify, but I believe they can in fact cross to another party. Wasn't there an MP that was elected Liberal 2 elections ago that did it? Or he became independant or something? I seem to recall something like that happening.

I know there were a few PC MPs who crossed the floor and joined the Liberals after the merger with the Alliance. Joe Clark also finished out his term as an independent rather than joining the new Conservative Party. I don't recall any Liberals crossing the floor, but it might have happened.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by MarchHare@Apr 12 2005, 07:11 PM

I know there were a few PC MPs who crossed the floor and joined the Liberals after the merger with the Alliance. Joe Clark also finished out his term as an independent rather than joining the new Conservative Party. I don't recall any Liberals crossing the floor, but it might have happened.

Didn't Jean Charest (Former PC leader after Kim Campbell) also join the Liberals?

[MarchHare]

Didn't Jean Charest (Former PC leader after Kim Campbell) also join the Liberals?

That's a little bit different though. He was the leader of the Federal PC party, and he joined the provincial Liberal party in Quebec (which he now leads as premier). The Conservatives have no presence in Quebec at the provincial level -- it's either the PQ or the Liberals, and in the last election the ADQ made some noise but only won a seat or two.