PHWA midseason awards

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

This one is hilarious.

"Player A tore his ACL last year, Player B had leukemia. Player C just played like dog shart last year but now he's back to being a regular contributor. And the winner is..."

Shouldn't McDavid win for playing while clearly being on his deathbed?

[Yamer]

It hurts my soul to say it, but if the Hart was awarded in the spirit it's intended then McDavid would get it.

He's the only worthwhile piece and the only one that drives a play in that dumpster fire up north. Across the league, he's undoubtedly the most valuable player to his team.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Yamer

It hurts my soul to say it, but if the Hart was awarded in the spirit it's intended then McDavid would get it.

He's the only worthwhile piece and the only one that drives a play in that dumpster fire up north. Across the league, he's undoubtedly the most valuable player to his team.

Is that true to the “spirit” of the award? I would expect that in order to qualify as value in comparison to all other players in the League a player’s contribution needs to engender some success. In other words, what have the Oilers tangibly achieved this season for all of McDavid’s vaunted contributions?

McDavid’s Oilers are the definition of an unsuccessful hockey team, so while he makes them a good deal better than they would be in his absence, they are still a losing, hemorrhagic franchise that appears committed to years of failure and ineptitude beyond 2019. No one should get an award for that.


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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Goaltenders don’t typically provide enough offence to win a hockey game by themselves.

There are people who have created formulas for ‘point shares’

https://www.hockey-reference.com/abo...nt_shares.html

What they try to do is use as a basis goals for and against, compared to league averages, then try to correlate those to expected wins, and distribute the contribution amongst the players.

It’s a concept they have used in other sports so have made a model for hockey.

Top 3 in point shares for goalies happen to be the three mid season nominees
https://www.hockey-reference.com/lea...9_leaders.html

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Yamer

It hurts my soul to say it, but if the Hart was awarded in the spirit it's intended then McDavid would get it.

He's the only worthwhile piece and the only one that drives a play in that dumpster fire up north. Across the league, he's undoubtedly the most valuable player to his team.

Not to quibble, but if I understand the metaphor usage correctly, tire fire is technically more appropriate than dumpster fire. Tire fires burn for a much longer time.

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

There are people who have created formulas for ‘point shares’

https://www.hockey-reference.com/abo...nt_shares.html

What they try to do is use as a basis goals for and against, compared to league averages, then try to correlate those to expected wins, and distribute the contribution amongst the players.

It’s a concept they have used in other sports so have made a model for hockey.

Top 3 in point shares for goalies happen to be the three mid season nominees
https://www.hockey-reference.com/lea...9_leaders.html

Ekholm is also the leader in defensive point shares. The Hart votes mirror the offensive point shares list as well. I think you're on to something

[EldrickOnIce]

Most valuable is always tough. How much should the criteria be team success? Oil are 7rh in Pacific, 12th in West. You may say McDavid is best player. Hard to equate that to valuable when his team is dog####.
Vezuna is best goaltender, period.

[Groot]

“Halfway through the season, the stars begin to emerge,” PHWA president Mark Spector said. “Our PHWA members dig into the stats to give readers a glimpse of who will be in Vegas on Awards night in June.”

While I'm happy to see the Flames in 6 of the 10 categories, the fact the Mark Spector is the President of the PHWA had to issue a statement praising the players/coaches/GM's on the list makes me even happier. I imagine he alternated vomiting and crying while typing up the statement.

[nik-]

strangely I don't care too much about Johnny winning the Hart, but I'm incredibly emotionally invested in Gio winning the Norris.

Don't be ####heels Eastern media.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by nik-

strangely I don't care too much about Johnny winning the Hart, but I'm incredibly emotionally invested in Gio winning the Norris.

Don't be ####heels Eastern media.

It's because there are other viable options for the Hart than Gaudreau. Not that he wouldn't deserve it, but so do others.

Gio deserves the Norris. He is the best defenseman in the NHL this season. If you don't think that you aren't watching hockey properly. In fact, he wouldn't be out of place in the Hart conversation either and I wouldn't be surprised to see him with a few votes there too.

Originally Posted by Groot

While I'm happy to see the Flames in 6 of the 10 categories, the fact the Mark Spector is the President of the PHWA had to issue a statement praising the players/coaches/GM's on the list makes me even happier. I imagine he alternated vomiting and crying while typing up the statement.

I've always thought that the PHWA voting on awards was dumb, but when I found out Spector was the president I decided all awards voting was meaningless. Hockey Ops personnel and/or player reps from each team should be voting.

[neo45]

I can totally live with Gaudreau and Peters as nominees.

But Gio better win if he keeps this up. It will be an eastern media robbery if he doesn’t.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by neo45

I can totally live with Gaudreau and Peters as nominees.

But Gio better win if he keeps this up. It will be an eastern media robbery if he doesn’t.

It is now to the point that Giordano should be nearly a "shoe-in" if trends continue as they have until the end of the season. If he is within a couple points of scoring leaders among defensemen, I think he wins the Norris Trophy this year.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Yamer

It hurts my soul to say it, but if the Hart was awarded in the spirit it's intended then McDavid would get it.

He's the only worthwhile piece and the only one that drives a play in that dumpster fire up north. Across the league, he's undoubtedly the most valuable player to his team.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Is that true to the “spirit” of the award? I would expect that in order to qualify as value in comparison to all other players in the League a player’s contribution needs to engender some success. In other words, what have the Oilers tangibly achieved this season for all of McDavid’s vaunted contributions?

McDavid’s Oilers are the definition of an unsuccessful hockey team, so while he makes them a good deal better than they would be in his absence, they are still a losing, hemorrhagic franchise that appears committed to years of failure and ineptitude beyond 2019. No one should get an award for that.


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Any interpretation of the definition of an award that rewards players becasue the rest of the team is no good, is, well... no good.

[CroFlames]

Sean Monahan should be awarded the Lady Bing award.



He's got freaking 10 PIMs and about 8 of those were bullcrap penalties.



He wouldn't hurt a fly.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Most valuable is always tough. How much should the criteria be team success? Oil are 7rh in Pacific, 12th in West. You may say McDavid is best player. Hard to equate that to valuable when his team is dog####.
Vezuna is best goaltender, period.

It's not like McDavid is running away with the scoring title. He may do that once they are eliminated and mail things in to get him a scoring title like last season but he and Gaudreau are neck and neck in scoring and the difference being Johnny is integral to the best team in the conference and McDavid integral to one of the worst. Not really a difficult decision IMO. Maybe they should make a new trophy for fastest skater to he could get an award every year to make Oilers fans happy.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Gibson is literally carrying Anaheim on his back.

Figuratively

[sureLoss]

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UPDATE: In speaking w/ @ThePHWA brass, while there are no plans to release exact numbers, I was able to glean a few interesting nuggets - Kucherov vs Gaudreau for the Hart was pretty close & Giordano won in an absolute landslide; Rielly wasn't anywhere near him in Norris voting.

[Erick Estrada]

Do Leafs media have more votes than other teams? I really don't know how anyone could make a case Rielly has been better than Gio. At this point Leafs media is the only thing that should prevent Gio from finally getting his due.

[stemit14]

While I agree that McDavid has been more valuable to his team than any single player has been to their respective teams... I do not in any way think he should get the Hart trophy for it. Lots of really good players have been robbed of that trophy over the years because the rest of their team was terrible and couldn’t make the playoffs. If those guys weren’t given the trophy because of that reason, then no exception should be made for McDavid.

Iginla is the perfect example. He was far and away the most dominant player in the league in 2002 and didn’t get the Hart. I know it’s because of one homer Montreal sports writer but it’s also because the flames didn’t make the playoffs so he lost votes there as well. If they start changing the criteria for who legitimately deserves this trophy than it’s another slap in the face to the guys in the past who deserved it and didn’t get it. Can’t be making exceptions to this criteria just because it’s McDavid and everyone wants to put him on the generational pedestal.


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[mrdonkey]

Mcletsgo is leading his crappy team all the way to the bottom of the league once again. Yes he is basically the only player able to generate scoring, but a fat load of good it’s done them in the success department.

What, so without him the Oilers are 20 points behind everyone else instead of nosediving at the quarter mark of the season? Who cares if the end result is another 1st overall in Shelbyville regardless.