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Old 07-09-2013, 06:19 PM   #3961
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The whole zoo matter is pretty discouraging.
I find zoos depressing in general.

I periodically go to them anyway but that's the general impression I'm usually left with. The larger animals aren't meant to be in that kind of imprisonment and it shows in their desultory demeanour.

I understand zoos serve a purpose in terms of education and conservation. It seems those animals are sacrificed for that purpose. I think there are more tigers in captivity in the USA alone than there are in the wild.

I live in the country and perhaps seeing elk, deer, coyotes, etc in a more natural environment on a daily basis brings a different perspective.

I was just out cycling on a lonely country road this afternoon and surprised a coyote ambling by. It dropped a gopher and scrammed impressively across the windswept, waving, tall grass prairie, grey on green, checking periodically to see if I was following. Unfortunately, a zoo can't duplicate that kind of freedom. They live a hard life but . . . .it's the right life.

I'm not cheering against the resurrection of the Calgary Zoo. Good luck to them.

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This is the zoo's current master plan that was developed only about a month ago. It is a 20 year plan. I think it looks fantastic and will really put the zoo amongst the top zoos in the world. Polar Bears and seals make their return along with a new tropical house. It has a focus on colder climate creatures. I wonder if this plan will be be fast tracked now after the flood. If all the older buildings are being demolished it might make sense to start implementing some of these new things as they start cleaning up. Check out the master plan at this link. Looks very promising!
http://www.calgaryzoo.com/masterplan/
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I'm sure some of you guys who have been in High River saw the huge Tide trailer there washing clothes. Thought that was really cool.

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I find zoos depressing in general.

I periodically go to them anyway but that's the general impression I'm usually left with. The larger animals aren't meant to be in that kind of imprisonment and it shows in their desultory demeanour.

I understand zoos serve a purpose in terms of education and conservation. It seems those animals are sacrificed for that purpose. I think there are more tigers in captivity in the USA alone than there are in the wild.

I live in the country and perhaps seeing elk, deer, coyotes, etc in a more natural environment on a daily basis brings a different perspective.

I was just out cycling on a lonely country road this afternoon and surprised a coyote ambling by. It dropped a gopher and scrammed impressively across the windswept, waving, tall grass prairie, grey on green, checking periodically to see if I was following. Unfortunately, a zoo can't duplicate that kind of freedom. They live a hard life but . . . .it's the right life.

I'm not cheering against the resurrection of the Calgary Zoo. Good luck to them.
I guess I'm able to separate what the Zoo does and the depression. I've seen more then enough wildlife in their natural surroundings too, that's not it.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:54 PM   #3965
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I live in the country and perhaps seeing elk, deer, coyotes, etc in a more natural environment on a daily basis brings a different perspective.

I was just out cycling on a lonely country road this afternoon and surprised a coyote ambling by. It dropped a gopher and scrammed impressively across the windswept, waving, tall grass prairie, grey on green, checking periodically to see if I was following. Unfortunately, a zoo can't duplicate that kind of freedom. They live a hard life but . . . .it's the right life.
Today I watched a big buck drop a nice turd trail on hot concrete, in the middle of Victoria. So majestic.

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####! The sloths were my favourite part of the zoo. Those things are amazing.
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####! The sloths were my favourite part of the zoo. Those things are amazing.
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What! we had giant anteaters?
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:28 AM   #3969
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^That reminds me of Jpold's infamous question
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Talisman Centre Flood Recovery and Phased in Re-opening Update

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We are excited to share that our main concourse level and lower level activity areas that include our locker rooms, gyms, pools and fitness centre were not damaged by the flood water. Furthermore, power has recently been restored to the North Annex building, which runs on a mechanical system separate from our main tented building. As such, Personal Training services, Triathlon Club and Endurance Training programs will be able to resume later this week. We are very optimistic about re-opening in a phased approach in the coming weeks beginning with the track, weight room and our five gymnasiums for court sports and our popular group fitness classes thus returning the majority of the building back to our customers.
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"e impact of the flood has resulted in more than just the loss of mechanical equipment. While we were able to maintain employment up until now, the scope of the project has forced us to temporary layoff some employees in areas that we know cannot open for a longer time. Also affected are our summer programs including sport camps. We’ve worked with our Tenants and Sport Partners who rely on the facility to run their own businesses to help them find alternate arrangements. While these are some of the negative impacts, the opportunity for the phased re-opening provides the ability to maintain employment for most of our staff, as well as to provide for the fitness needs of our members and to support many of our Tenants.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:59 PM   #3972
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City Races to save Historic School in Elbow Park.

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Elbow Park Elementary was hit hard during the June flood, as it is just across the street from the Elbow River. Two wings on either side of the building are now settling apart from the main core.

“We are waiting for final engineering inspection reports, but our understanding is there is significant structural damage to the school, so we anticipate it might take a year or two [to repair],” says Frank Coppinger, the CBE’s Supt. Of facilities and environmental services.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:11 PM   #3973
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Update from the National Music Centre:

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Last week it became apparent that the damage to our collection and building is greater than first realized. The NMC will remained closed until August 1 and all on-site events have been cancelled or moved to new venues. Please check nmc.ca for the most up-to-date event information.

Despite these challenges, we consider ourselves lucky and our staff is continuing operations out of a temporary office location generously donated by ATB Financial. Construction on the new NMC resumed on June 26 and remains on schedule.

The Globe and Mail ran a feature on the impact of the flood on NMC and other Calgary Arts organizations in Monday's paper. It is a powerful piece and we encourage you to read it. View the article here.
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I've been out of the country and back now for almost two days, so checked with a client in High River. I'm very glad to report that their house is absolutely untouched by the flooding. I'm not sure if they'll want to continue to live in a town that is mostly destroyed, but they just finished their basement a few weeks ago and all is good. Good wishes go out to all the flood victims and appreciation to all those who have been volunteering their assistance.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:57 PM   #3975
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Just wondering if black mold can effect you if you're handling flood garbage that has been set outside to be taken away to the dump. I'm hoping it's only a problem if you're actually going into the basements to clean stuff up. How dangerous is black mold? How cautious do you need to be when handling flood materials because of it? Thanks in advance to any responses.

Also, what kind of safety gear is necessary when handling flood materials?
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I've been out of the country and back now for almost two days, so checked with a client in High River. I'm very glad to report that their house is absolutely untouched by the flooding. I'm not sure if they'll want to continue to live in a town that is mostly destroyed, but they just finished their basement a few weeks ago and all is good. Good wishes go out to all the flood victims and appreciation to all those who have been volunteering their assistance.
parts of High River went untouched?? I thought the whole town got hit pretty bad.
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parts of High River went untouched?? I thought the whole town got hit pretty bad.
Not every house, apparently. He had no water.

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parts of High River went untouched?? I thought the whole town got hit pretty bad.
Some areas were high enough to stay mostly dry. I think the industrial area near Highway 2 was part of it.

My company has been organizing volunteer busses to head down and help. Went yesterday. It's pretty amazing to see how the region has pulled together. We tore soaked drywall and insulation out of the basements of an townhouse-apartment and shoveled an inch+ of mud off much of the external areas of the complex. 15 people, one day, barely half a block. It is a lot of work.

Once we finished at that place, we literally just walked down the street looking for others in need of assistance. Only in Alberta will you find disaster areas inundated with roving gangs of volunteers...
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parts of High River went untouched?? I thought the whole town got hit pretty bad.
The far NW corner was mostly minor sewage backup, and not all homes were impacted.

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This is from my experience driving around this past Sunday, and talking to people in the area, finding people to help. The southern end of that red box is roughly where I think the water reached, judging by what people were saying and the damage I personally saw.



Everything else I saw was hit hard. The deep SE portion was only hit by sewage backup as well - roughly the blue box (again my guess from talking to people) but there was a distinctly larger amount of poop smell in those basements compared to the NW portion. The area directly NW (roughly the orange box) is still almost entirely underwater - probably even further north than what I have drawn.

The 2 brown areas were the worst hit that I saw. The lower one is mostly residential, and there was deep mud still on peoples lawns. I never got into a basement in this area, but talked with a few people. The northern one is not densely populated, but that is where the train tracks were totally decimated. I am sure the pictures have been posted previously
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parts of High River went untouched?? I thought the whole town got hit pretty bad.
There are a few very lucky people. I have at least one client who has a home in High River and I've been waiting to hear back from him for a few days expecting the worst. Called him on Friday and he was ecstatic to annouce he was high and dry. The relief in his voice was obvious.
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