Israel declares war on Hamas

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Spurs

As usual it is not it is just more excuses to not answer the questions that they don't want to answer.

Much easier to claim everyone is Anti-Semetic, happy for nukes to be dropped on Tel Aviv, hate anything Israel does rather than actually address what they say.

Semitic

Hamas uses Hospitals and refugee camps as command centers. Bagor struggles with understanding this, everything is fake news for him except when he gets his sources from Hamas.

Hamas bombs their own hospital, executes their own people who attempt to flee a war zone. Lets blame Israel and believe the institutions that work hand in hand with terrorists.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Semitic

Semetic/Semitic no big deal just more deflection.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Semetic/Semitic no big deal just more deflection.

Maybe spell things correctly when you accuse someone of something. I didn’t accuse him of being an anti-semite. Just that he conveniently believes Hamas sources while admittedly never believing Israeli ones. To him Hamas and the IDF are the same, so no point in arguing with someone this dense.

I wonder if he finally believes Islamic Jihad bombed their own hospital, or that Hamas was executing their own civilians fleeing south. Probably believes these were IDF soldiers disguised as Hamas. Those sneaky Zionists.

[blankall]

The strange thing about this is that there is a massive war going, where the Gazans are on the losing side. The IDF has likely bombed dozens of buildings where dozens of civilians have died in a single bombing, but the misinformation campaign is totally focused on two hospital attacks that never occurred. They could pick any of the dozens of other times innocent people actually died, but can't back down from the stories about two attacks that never happened.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Maybe spell things correctly when you accuse someone of something. I didn’t accuse him of being an anti-semite. Just that he conveniently believes Hamas sources while admittedly never believing Israeli ones. To him Hamas and the IDF are the same, so no point in arguing with someone this dense.

I wonder if he finally believes Islamic Jihad bombed their own hospital, or that Hamas was executing their own civilians fleeing south. Probably believes these were IDF soldiers disguised as Hamas. Those sneaky Zionists.

LOL crying about spelling on a message board?

And it wasn't just directed at you but a general comment about many from the Pro-Israeli side more often than not deflecting rather than addressing points.

Why not ask him rather than blindly speculate about what he might think especially when that speculation is silly?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

The strange thing about this is that there is a massive war going, where the Gazans are on the losing side. The IDF has likely bombed dozens of buildings where dozens of civilians have died in a single bombing, but the misinformation campaign is totally focused on two hospital attacks that never occurred. They could pick any of the dozens of other times innocent people actually died, but can't back down from the stories about two attacks that never happened.

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Originally Posted by Bagor

Why don't you either address or acknowledge your seven lies?

[Manhattanboy]

https://www.un.org/en/observances/en...inst-women-day

Today is International Day for the elimination of violence against women.

Will Hamas be called out for some of the most heinous crimes against women committed in our lifetimes?

[Manhattanboy]

Hamas has already violated the agreement by releasing Hila Rotem, 13, without her mother. The deal was that children be released with their mothers.

[Harry Lime]

I think that there are elements of any deal that Hamas is going to have trouble following through on. If they are negotiating from Qatar, they likely have a pretty thin understanding of the status of the hostages.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Hamas has already violated the agreement by releasing Hila Rotem, 13, without her mother. The deal was that children be released with their mothers.

Can you provide a link to the deal/agreement?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Can you provide a link to the deal/agreement?

As reported by CNN

Israeli government seeking to determine why hostage was not released with her daughter
From CNN's Matthew Chance
The Israeli government is trying to determine why a mother taken hostage on October 7 was not released along with her daughter today.

Hila Rotem, 13, was among the Israeli hostages released Saturday, according to the Israeli prime minister's office and the Hostage and Missing Families Forum.

Raaya Rotem, Hila’s mother, is not listed among those hostages released. Hila and Raaya, 54, were abducted from Kibbutz Be’eri on October 7.

An Israeli government official told CNN that mothers and children are not supposed to be separated under the agreement.

“That’s part of the deal,” the official said. “It’s unknown where she is and what happened to her.”

[Bagor]

Ahhh.... You forgot to add the according to Israeli officials part.
And not surprisingly, conversely Hamas is claiming Israel isnt sticking to the terms.

Don't know why both parties don't agree to Qatar/Egypt releasing the agreement so the world can see for itself what is real and what not.

[Zevo]

Why wouldn’t they release the mother with the children?

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Ahhh.... You forgot to add the according to Israeli officials part.
And not surprisingly, conversely Hamas is claiming Israel isnt sticking to the terms.

Don't know why both parties don't agree to Qatar/Egypt releasing the agreement so the world can see for itself what is real and what not.

So if it’s not part of the agreement, it’s OK to do? seems like a ####ty thing to do no matter what. But keep making excuses.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Zevo

So if it’s not part of the agreement, it’s OK to do? seems like a ####ty thing to do no matter what. But keep making excuses.

Who said it was ok to do?
Who said it wasn't a ####ty thing to do?
And who's making excuses? Get a grip.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Semitic

Does it matter? You'll just accuse someone of being anti-whateverspelling to suit your needs which is anyone who makes an argument that contradicts what you have to say (so everyone).
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Hamas uses Hospitals and refugee camps as command centers.

Yet to see proof of this. Lots of conjecture and rumor but nothing that could be considered as proof.

Bagor struggles with understanding this, everything is fake news for him except when he gets his sources from Hamas.

Is that any worse than making stuff up to suit your argument like you do?

Hamas bombs their own hospital,

NY Times debunked this claim. Still need validation of what happened, but the "magic missile" video you posted (and I questioned) was debunked and shown to not be involved with the hospital bombing. Israel's actions in the area are still a possibility.

[/QUOTE]executes their own people who attempt to flee a war zone. [/QUOTE]

Link to this? This sounds new and barbaric. Need more information on this if it is true.

Lets blame Israel and believe the institutions that work hand in hand with terrorists.

The behaviors of the IDF would make them a terror organization without the protections of a nation state. While Hamas is barbaric and needs to be eliminated the Israeli leadership has proven to be every bit as evil and deserving of similar action against them. This engagement is like watching the Oilers and the Canucks play. No one to really cheer for as they both suck.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

The strange thing about this is that there is a massive war going, where the Gazans are on the losing side. The IDF has likely bombed dozens of buildings where dozens of civilians have died in a single bombing, but the misinformation campaign is totally focused on two hospital attacks that never occurred. They could pick any of the dozens of other times innocent people actually died, but can't back down from the stories about two attacks that never happened.

It’s definitely weird there is so much misinformation surrounding this hospital.

Can you back up the claim that Al Shifa has full resources and the WHO closed it down regardless?

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Who said it was ok to do?
Who said it wasn't a ####ty thing to do?
And who's making excuses? Get a grip.

Why are you arguing it's not in the agreement then? Explain to me what difference that should make.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Why are you arguing it's not in the agreement then? Explain to me what difference that should make.

I'm not arguing it's not in the agreement. I'm arguing that Israel CLAIMS that it is is in the agree and the agreement has been broken and then you have people like Manhattanboy blindly stating it as fact.
Just as Hamas are CLAIMING that Israel broke the terms of the agreement.

The difference it makes is that these CLAIMS by BOTH sides can be used as justification for breaking the ceasefire. If it's in the agreement then yes there are grounds for the ceasefire being broken. If it's not then it's nothing more than a false claim.

As I said it would be a lot simpler if the agreement were available so the claims could be verified.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bagor

I'm not arguing it's not in the agreement. I'm arguing that Israel CLAIMS that it is is in the agree and the agreement has been broken and then you have people like Manhattanboy blindly stating it as fact.
Just as Hamas are CLAIMING that Israel broke the terms of the agreement.

The difference it makes is that these CLAIMS by BOTH sides can be used as justification for breaking the ceasefire. If it's in the agreement then yes there are grounds for the ceasefire being broken. If it's not then it's nothing more than a false claim.

As I said it would be a lot simpler if the agreement were available so the claims could be verified.

Thanks for the rational explanation...I don't understand arguing about it since Hamas should have released the mother, agreement or not, and it looked like you were defending them.