2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[keenan87]

Anyone else think that maybe Treliving had a deal in place that got stopped last minute? (That is why he waived Hamilton and then kept him on the roster)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Anyone else think that maybe Treliving had a deal in place that got stopped last minute? (That is why he waived Hamilton and then kept him on the roster)

Personally I don’t. I think they waived Freddie because he deserved to go down. They changed their mind and sent Glass down instead. Personally I didn’t think it was worth signing Glass to the contract he got so it didn’t bother me.

Dougie and Freddie live together and if people don’t think there is a major connection with Freddie being in the nhl and Dougie that’s fine. I personally think the only reason Freddie has been on the roster the last 2 years is due to Dougie.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dougie and Freddie live together and if people don’t think there is a major connection with Freddie being in the nhl and Dougie that’s fine. I personally think the only reason Freddie has been on the roster the last 2 years is due to Dougie.

While I don't think one way or the other because I have zero insider info, what does concern me is IF it helps Dougie having Freddie up with the Flames then that is a pretty large problem with one of our better defenceman.

[sureLoss]

McKenzie shoots down a rumored OEL for William Nylander swap:

http://www.tsn.ca/on-ekman-larsson-a...leafs-1.920564

- As of Sunday night, my best information is that the Leafs and Coyotes haven’t had a single conversation regarding Ekman-Larsson. (By the way, I hate reporting what’s not happening with such great certainty because, well, what if they were to have a conversation today?).
- If, and this is a rather large IF, Arizona were to trade OEL to Toronto for, as rumoured, William Nylander, I don’t believe Arizona, and many other teams, probably including even the Leafs themselves, view Nylander as an NHL centre. And if you’re the Coyotes, you don’t contemplate moving a top-pairing D man for a winger. They would want and need a centre in return.
- I don’t believe the Leafs have, at this point in time anyway, altered their core principle that they can build a Cup contender, both from a hockey and a salary cap perspective, with the three kids (Matthews, Marner and Nylander) up front.
This latter point may irritate many Leaf fans who envision giving up one of them for a stud defenceman, but (certainly for now anyway), the Leafs believe more in the concept of perhaps not having a true No. 1 D but trying to have five Top 4 D, if that makes any sense. Maybe that’s simply a forced choice, because trading for a true No. 1 defenceman is near impossible.
In any case, this long-and-winding exercise to contemplate a scenario, and then refute it, more or less got me back to where I started from last Wednesday, though I wouldn’t necessarily call the process fruitless.
It did reinforce to me two things: 1. I don’t believe the Coyotes are at all interested in trading Oliver Ekman-Larsson; 2. I don’t believe the Leafs are at all interested in trading any of their Big 3 kids up front.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I have no problem with Freddie being in the NHL 'just to appease Dougie' (which, btw, I don't subscribe to).

Freddie isn't going to develop into a much better player with big minutes in Stockton. I would rather those minutes be assigned to guys like Poirier, Klimchuk, etc.

Freddie looks 'fine' as a 13th forward who gets into ~30 games a season as needed due to injuries or guys on the bottom line needing a kick in the pants. He comes out, skates hard, and is a decent 4th liner.

I don't want a legitimate prospect taking that role. I want a legitimate prospect taking the job when there is a longer-term injury, or when there is more room due to a trade. Freddie Hamilton being on the team neither hurts nor helps the team - that's what a 13th forward is for. Paul Byron (ironically since he was brought up before) was probably the best 13th forward that season for the Flames in a very long time. Until there is someone better than Freddie who the organization also doesn't care about developing, then Freddie is the 13th forward.

Let the other prospects get quality time developing in the AHL, let the better players get the games in the NHL to help the team win. Let Freddie Hamilton get into the lineup once in a while with low minutes to give a guy a break, a kick in the pants, or emergency roster spot.

[Vinny01]

I don’t really have a problem with the role Freddie is providing either. He doesn’t look terrible in the few games he plays. Like I said I didn’t think Glass deserved a contract so Freddie on the team over him is fine. Freddie is not stealing a spot from any prospect either so I have zero issue with the bottom forwards on the roster.

[Geeoff]

Freddie seems like a popular guy on the team TBH. He's always in the photos with Flames players hanging out.

[puckedoff]

Oilers should pick up Byron, he is fast enough to keep up with McDavid and can help their PK too.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Freddie seems like a popular guy on the team TBH. He's always in the photos with Flames players hanging out.

By my count, the Flames have at least three players who are 'great guys in the room' and contribute next to nothing in areas that actually count.

Lazar, Stajan and Freddie between them have three points. Were you to ask Loubardias, every single one of those players is destined for sainthood after they each get to marry one of his daughters.

Pittsburgh's 'glue guy' gave them 691 games in goal, won 375 of them, and helped them to three Stanley Cups in four appearances.

Our glue guys can combine to form one player who still deserves to be waived, like a glitchy Voltron.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

By my count, the Flames have at least three players who are 'great guys in the room' and contribute next to nothing in areas that actually count.

Lazar, Stajan and Freddie between them have three points. Were you to ask Loubardias, every single one of those players is destined for sainthood after they each get to marry one of his daughters.

Pittsburgh's 'glue guy' gave them 691 games in goal, won 375 of them, and helped them to three Stanley Cups in four appearances.

Our glue guys can combine to form one player who still deserves to be waived, like a glitchy Voltron.

I mean all of these are pretty bad players. I just was speculating why they would choose Hamilton over Glass.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I mean all of these are pretty bad players. I just was speculating why they would choose Hamilton over Glass.

They're both terrible, yet Hamilton is still better than Glass at every aspect of the game save punching people.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They're both terrible, yet Hamilton is still better than Glass at every aspect of the game save punching people.

Not quite, Glass is a much more physical presence than Hamilton as far as hitting goes.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They're both terrible, yet Hamilton is still better than Glass at every aspect of the game save punching people.

If this were true, I doubt Glass would have been signed in the first place.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Yoho

If this were true, I doubt Glass would have been signed in the first place.

You're right. Glass has outscored Freddie over the last five years. In fact, Glass has over 600% more offense for his career than Freddie does.

But Glass isn't Dougie's brother.

[neo45]

I think Freddie was put on waivers to give him a chance elsewhere if any team actually wanted to play him in NHL games. He is two injuries away from getting play time here and there might be guys in the minors still ahead of him on the depth chart.


Glass outplayed him in the preseason but outside of beating up Kassian he didn't do enough to stay in the lineup.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by neo45

I think Freddie was put on waivers to give him a chance elsewhere if any team actually wanted to play him in NHL games. He is two injuries away from getting play time here and there might be guys in the minors still ahead of him on the depth chart.


Glass outplayed him in the preseason but outside of beating up Kassian he didn't do enough to stay in the lineup.

Glass may have outplayed Freddie, but I think it's very debatable he outplayed Hathaway. Who is ten years younger, bigger, and the team is oddly successful when he's in the lineup.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Glass may have outplayed Freddie, but I think it's very debatable he outplayed Hathaway. Who is ten years younger, bigger, and the team is oddly successful when he's in the lineup.

Glass quite easily outplayed Hathaway in the preseason. Hathaway was oddly low energy in preseason games (I can't comment on practices). However, he's found another gear in the minors, it seems.

[dying4acup]

I had a theory that Hamilton and Glass were waived to activate Jägr and allow Lack to go on a conditioning stint, while the Flames called up a goalie for a few days, but Smith nursing a few minor injuries kyboshed that plan.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I was very surprised with Hathaway in the pre-season. It was eerily similar to that of Stajan years ago when he was replaced by Horak.

In my opinion, the 4th line spot was Hathaway's to lose, and that is what he did. I did think that Glass looked good in the pre-season, but as long as Hathaway looked decent, he should have made the team. He didn't. Glass looked quite a bit better.

I am glad that Hathaway is finding success in the AHL, and now with signing Jagr and Jankowski making the jump, he has to patiently wait for a trade or a sudden rash of injuries to get some time. I think this will serve him as a good reminder to not take a single thing for granted. It better serve notice to the rest of the prospects as well - you better come in and play as hard as you can all the time when given the opportunity, or you may not get one for a very long time - if at all.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

By my count, the Flames have at least three players who are 'great guys in the room' and contribute next to nothing in areas that actually count.

Lazar, Stajan and Freddie between them have three points. Were you to ask Loubardias, every single one of those players is destined for sainthood after they each get to marry one of his daughters.

Pittsburgh's 'glue guy' gave them 691 games in goal, won 375 of them, and helped them to three Stanley Cups in four appearances.

Our glue guys can combine to form one player who still deserves to be waived, like a glitchy Voltron.

LOL! One of the best (and true) posts ever