2016 NHL Draft

[Bunk]

The fact the Keller is almost a full year younger than Tkachuk is interesting. I say take whomever is left between Dubois, Tkachuk and Keller (who seems to be a late riser this year).

[Vulcan]

Well I hope Pronman's right and someone takes Keller ahead of us.

Tkachuk is 7 months older than Keller. Not something to get excited about.

[iloveicedhockey]

I think the Edmonton and Vancouver fans would kick up a huge stink if they ignored the consensus 4 and 5 picks, not for a defenceman but for a small skilled forward. If they do, great.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Pronman's list

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/top-100...ry?id=39091742

I have no idea why this guy remains relevant? His list is just so off the wall. If half the players are available as late as he suggests, the Flames could be coming away from this draft with a ridiculous haul. There are some very talented big men that he has slotted behind a bunch of tiny point generators, which just doesn't make sense. Pronman loves his small skill players, and this draft he's gone off the deep end.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

I think the Edmonton and Vancouver fans would kick up a huge stink if they ignored the consensus 4 and 5 picks, not for a defenceman but for a small skilled forward. If they do, great.

There is no consensus though. Dubois is ranked 5th behind Nylander by ISS for May and 6th by Future Considerations behind Chychrun and Tkachuk. Whilst I'm more sceptical of McKeens, they have him at 7.

He probably won't make it to us because he's a big centre, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's the 4th best player in the draft. Dubois, Tkachuk and Nylander could go in that order, but I don't think that means teams went with the consensus.

[Samonadreau]

Not sure if this has been posted but interesting take on the 'Ledges' at the top of the draft. Tries to draw a parallel between consensus and Treliving's 4 to 6 Ledge.

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/5/13/the...at-6th-overall

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If we were drafting 5th, there would be people lamenting that we're missing out on the top 4.

If we were drafting 7th, they'd be lamenting the top 6

Bottom line Calgary has to have a scouting team and management group that pick the right player in every situation they are in. They won't be right 100% of the time, but they have to get top ten picks right.

When you look back at past drafts you can see teams that got it right when they were outside the window most desired.

This year the top three is where you want to be for sure, but then next three is big as well, then a ledge compared to the GM.

in 2014 there were 4 guys and Calgary drafted the last of them. After that though the Jets (Ehlers) and the Leafs (Nylander) appeared to nail it. ... not so much the Islanders and Ducks.

In 2013 there were 4 then 2, the Flames took the last of them and did great. After that though Buffalo nailed it with Ristolainen, the Stars didn't with Nikushken.

Early sure so these could change. But the Flames have to be a team that gets the right guy in the top 60 every year.

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

There is no consensus though. Dubois is ranked 5th behind Nylander by ISS for May and 6th by Future Considerations behind Chychrun and Tkachuk. Whilst I'm more sceptical of McKeens, they have him at 7.

He probably won't make it to us because he's a big centre, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's the 4th best player in the draft. Dubois, Tkachuk and Nylander could go in that order, but I don't think that means teams went with the consensus.

There is a clear scouting consensus based on the flames nation article posted below your post (which was what I was basing the consensus 6 off). I see Dubois and tkachuk being interchangeable 4 and 5.

Short of some Treliving trickery or van/edm picking a D man we pick nylander.

[Vinny01]

A win on draft day for me is if Dubois or Tkachuk are there at 6. Either one of those forwards is exactly who I hope the Flames end up with

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Bottom line Calgary has to have a scouting team and management group that pick the right player in every situation they are in. They won't be right 100% of the time, but they have to get top ten picks right.

When you look back at past drafts you can see teams that got it right when they were outside the window most desired.

This year the top three is where you want to be for sure, but then next three is big as well, then a ledge compared to the GM.

in 2014 there were 4 guys and Calgary drafted the last of them. After that though the Jets (Ehlers) and the Leafs (Nylander) appeared to nail it. ... not so much the Islanders and Ducks.

In 2013 there were 4 then 2, the Flames took the last of them and did great. After that though Buffalo nailed it with Ristolainen, the Stars didn't with Nikushken.

Early sure so these could change. But the Flames have to be a team that gets the right guy in the top 60 every year.

No surprise the Jets and Leafs looked to have nailed it by taking the most skilled players available ignoring size.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

There is a clear scouting consensus based on the flames nation article posted below your post (which was what I was basing the consensus 6 off). I see Dubois and tkachuk being interchangeable 4 and 5.

Short of some Treliving trickery or van/edm picking a D man we pick nylander.

Which will be awesome. Nylander certainly fills a need and I have never bought into the theory your skill players have to be big. Look at what the Hawks have done recently. Perhaps the two biggest teams in the NHL in LA and Anaheim got bounced in the first rnd. A much more physical team in Washington got bounced by Pittsburgh. A small TB team is tearing it up in the playoffs. I would like the Flames to add some more size in the bottom 6 but your top 6 needs to be skill above all else.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

There is a clear scouting consensus based on the flames nation article posted below your post (which was what I was basing the consensus 6 off). I see Dubois and tkachuk being interchangeable 4 and 5.

Short of some Treliving trickery or van/edm picking a D man we pick nylander.

See, I have trouble agreeing with the premise the article draws. Of the 7 sources mentioned in the article, Tkachuk is 4th twice, Chychrun is 4th twice and Dubois is 4th twice. Nylander is 4th once. So there is clearly a fair deal of variance as to who each source thinks will go 4th. As for Dubois, in 4 of the 7 lists, he isn't even in the top 5. I think you could easily draw a different conclusion from the various listings. Just because nobody identifies one particular prospect that might go ahead of him doesn't mean it won't happen. For all we know, both Edmonton and Vancouver both take defencemen. Because lets face it, both desperately need them. Beyond the top 3, I'm keeping an open mind. The scouts can't seem to agree on who exactly will go where and I can't decide either. The draft is going to be fascinating.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

There is a clear scouting consensus based on the flames nation article posted below your post (which was what I was basing the consensus 6 off). I see Dubois and tkachuk being interchangeable 4 and 5.

Short of some Treliving trickery or van/edm picking a D man we pick nylander.

But there is probably bias in the lists he chose. Cox? Seriously?

Changing out some of the lists for others out there would likely change the picture a bit.

The article over-states the consensus significantly, IMO.

[iloveicedhockey]

I'd be happy with nylander for sure, provided that's who the flames think is BPA. I like his skill and his bullet of a shot. If the flames think number 6 is someone else, then it would likely be seen as a little off the board but I'm not going to argue, those guys know a load more about these guys than I do and are paid to do a job. I just watch YouTube and make ill informed opinions.

Cox is a moron for sure but he does base his list on his scouting sources, like McKenzie. It's not by any means unanimous, it's not going to be, but those three are in the top 6 more than any other player outside that group, and the range for each is pretty small. I don't think swapping in or adding other lists would change the situation that much.

With regards to Dubois, why are you cutting off at 5 when the article (and the flames management) say the ledge is at 6 and we actually pick at 6? Dubois is top 6 in two of the four you mention, 7 once and 8 once. So he's top 6 in 5 lists of 7. Chychyrun is in top 6 twice, same for juolevi, McLeod (?) Once. No one else even breaks the top 6. Should point out that buttons list isn't the final one and he has brown likely at 5. Also the list originated from the canucks portion of the nation network so the guy who created the list wasn't trying to fit the rankings to the supposed flames ledges.

[868904]

Something interesting in the aHL playoffs, Sheldon Keefe (potential coach candidate) openly questioned William Nylanders' competitiveness. Now Alex is his own guy but that really is the big question mark with the Nylanders, all world skill, question on competitiveness.

For Alex to be touted as such an elite talent, his regular season numbers are pretty much the same as Logan Brown who is considered not nearly as skilled, which suggests that Alex isn't showing up all the time.

In Alex's defense though, he has played well when it matters in the WJC and the OHL playoffs.

I'm really torn between whether I like this player for the Flames or not.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by 868904

Something interesting in the aHL playoffs, Sheldon Keefe (potential coach candidate) openly questioned William Nylanders' competitiveness. Now Alex is his own guy but that really is the big question mark with the Nylanders, all world skill, question on competitiveness.

For Alex to be touted as such an elite talent, his regular season numbers are pretty much the same as Logan Brown who is considered not nearly as skilled, which suggests that Alex isn't showing up all the time.

In Alex's defense though, he has played well when it matters in the WJC and the OHL playoffs.

I'm really torn between whether I like this player for the Flames or not.

I've also seen it written that he was playing with an injury during the latter part of the regular season. For sure the Flames will be looking at attitude/competitiveness if they have him as their guy.

[iloveicedhockey]

I think it's a genuine concern, especially given how the flames do value character highly. He did play well when he was up with the leafs, perhaps he's finding it difficult to go back down and stay motivated; this could be keefe's read on how to motivate him. Not ideal either way.

[iloveicedhockey]

We really need something else to talk about, the draft is so so far away.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

I think it's a genuine concern, especially given how the flames do value character highly. He did play well when he was up with the leafs, perhaps he's finding it difficult to go back down and stay motivated; this could be keefe's read on how to motivate him. Not ideal either way.

Funny how we can't talk about Alex Nylander without bringing up his father and brother. It's like saying Scott Neidermeyer couldn't be any good because of Rob.

[Wolfman]

^ Completely agree, you beat me to the punch on that one.