I'll give it a tentative . I really liked it but completely understand why some wont. I'm thinking it's the best Marvel movie since End Game, as the other 3 were pretty middling and didn't really move the ball forward in anyway, but still sits firmly in the bottom half of Marvel movies.
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I think it's a movie that could easily lose a person with all of the new characters, and all of the jumping around, but they handled that the best they could. I really like to overall plot, Arishem was a motivated villain with a purpose, our heros struggle with relative vs absolute morality was compelling, message the meaning of life is to suffer and create more life is beautifully cynical, they asked some fun questions about the problem of Evil (what is evil, how do we know it exists, who do we know god isn't evil?...)
Acting was good enough but not great (I don't care what people say Jolie & Madden are bad actors, the rest of them were good), cinematography/cgi was OK, but I don't understand why neither Marvel or DC can get that Superman style of flight correct, it looks fine with Wanda or Vision or Ironman..., but you get to Superman or Icarus and and it's 2006 TV quality.
I'm now thinking this will be very important for setting up the finale of phase 4. Eros & the 3 space Eternals will collect the Asguardians of the Galaxy & Cpt Marvel. And the 3 earthbound Eternals will stand in judgment to be found guilty bringing punishment on Earth. The punishment taking place in the Fantastic 4, when Galactus is sent to Earth. They will all have to join whatever Earthbound heros and Multiversal heros we have at the time for a big phase ending battle to stop earth from being consumed.
I feel like a lot of people are thinking we are headed towards Battler World / Secret Wars, and I agree but I suspect we only 2 years into another 10 year journey in order to get us there. Galactus will be our 2012 Avengers waypoint on the journey towards battle world.
I think the cast was to big to give emotional depth to 10 or so characters. It’s the kind of show that would have benifitted from the Loki treatment in a series.
There was so much exposition to set up everything and so many characters to introduce that outside Sersi and Sprite I didn’t care about any of them.
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Ajaks being betrayed by Icarus didn’t matter to me. The eternals dilemma of 7 billion lives for the emergence of a being that would create trillions dilemma didn’t resonate. The evolutionary divergent didn’t add anything.
I think given 6-8 hrs they could have done much better.
The way it was it was too long but also not enough depth.
DISNEY+ day today, lots of new logos and what not including announced X-Men 97, animated X MEN series that will pick up right where the original left off with the majority of the cast returning as well.
Epic.
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DISNEY+ day today, lots of new logos and what not including announced X-Men 97, animated X MEN series that will pick up right where the original left off with the majority of the cast returning as well.
Epic.
Wow.
That's actually a bit mindblowing. That's one of my favorite animated series of all times......
I wonder if the new X-men will still be based heavily on stories from the comics, I think it has to be if they really want to pick up where they left off.
The animated series did the Pheonix Saga better than any other adaptation and did a lot of the characters better than other adaptation too, i.e. - Storm, Gambit, Rogue & Cyclops. Big shoes to fill.
I wonder if the new X-men will still be based heavily on stories from the comics, I think it has to be if they really want to pick up where they left off.
The animated series did the Pheonix Saga better than any other adaptation and did a lot of the characters better than other adaptation too, i.e. - Storm, Gambit, Rogue & Cyclops. Big shoes to fill.
The animated series really had the benefit of being a serialized show, without a set end date. They had the luxury of slowly developing these big character archs and stories. It was also great at taking a few minutes to explain the history of a concept. All pretty difficult to do in a movie.
I also really like "The Wolverine and the X-men" series from 2009.
The animated series really had the benefit of being a serialized show, without a set end date. They had the luxury of slowly developing these big character archs and stories. It was also great at taking a few minutes to explain the history of a concept. All pretty difficult to do in a movie.
I also really like "The Wolverine and the X-men" series from 2009.
I am really interested in how Marvel develops the X-Men... they have shown how clever they are with extended universes and the X-Men universe could exist outside of the Avengers if they wanted i think....they could start laying the seeds for a Dark Phoenix and pay it off like Endgame.
With the X-Men, there are a few mutants, but outside of Wolverine, I am not sure they could be an independent franchise...however, you can cycle new mutants in at a more regular basis, so the turnover of actors isn't as abrupt as the Avengers where suddenly you have to have a bunch of brand new ones without a ton of continuity...
I would love to see Alpha Flight! That would be super cool
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So I just watched Shang-Chi on Disney+. I'd rate it as a mid, maybe lower mid-tier Marvel Movie. It was better than the first two Thor movies, that's for sure. One thing had me very confused, minor spoiler.
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Why was Wong hustling for money with the Abomination? I mean didn't he have some moral code about not carrying money? And why would they be working together? Also, if the Hulk or Abomination "didn't pull his punch" while hitting a human, the human would die.
I was not a fan of Shang-Chi at all. I thought it suffered from the opposite issues Marvel movies usually have (interesting set ups/premise with mediocre finales).
I thought the finale of Shang-Chi was one of the most original in the MCU, but the first 3/4 of the movie just weren't done in an interesting way. Lots of people telling stories, when they could have just showed us those scenes.
So I just watched Shang-Chi on Disney+. I'd rate it as a mid, maybe lower mid-tier Marvel Movie. It was better than the first two Thor movies, that's for sure. One thing had me very confused, minor spoiler.
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Why was Wong hustling for money with the Abomination? I mean didn't he have some moral code about not carrying money? And why would they be working together? Also, if the Hulk or Abomination "didn't pull his punch" while hitting a human, the human would die.
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Perhaps we can attribute it to Dr. Strange's effect on him. Wong started off as the stoic monk-like librarian without a sense of humour and then laughed at Strange's joke at the end of the movie. Maybe recognizing that Dr. Strange was indeed the "best of them" as The Ancient One predicted, he realized he did not need to follow all of his teachings and even in Infinity War he had a bit of cash on him (just not sure how much). Maybe after 5 years after the snap he became more westernized hanging out with the other heroes. I mean he even did karaoke at the end.
Or it's just MCU flanderizing Wong into a comic relief character and we don't need to look into it so much.
Also spoilers for Black Widow, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Wandavision, Loki and Shang-Chi
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With discount Captain America guy, Black Widow's sister, Agatha, Abomination and maybe Loki, maybe an anti-Hawkeye in the new series, looks like Elaine could pull together a discount grey/evil-Avengers soon
I thought Shang-Chi was pretty forgettable. The action scenes came across as being a bit unnatural to me. The bus scene seemed overly-choreographed. They also chose to make too many of the backgrounds too light-hearted. They had some great aesthetics with the Chinese theme they could have worked with, but shied away from anything too crazy.
The premise was also a bit dumb...
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His father couldn't figure it out? He was also 1000 years old and pretty experienced in the supernatural.
. I really liked it but completely understand why some wont. I'm thinking it's the best Marvel movie since End Game, as the other 3 were pretty middling and didn't really move the ball forward in anyway, but still sits firmly in the bottom half of Marvel movies. 
