Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[missdpuck]

In today’s news, a student faces arrest and expulsion after bringing guns to Palm Beach Lakes High school.

Thanks to a tip there were no tragedies there today.


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[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Envitro

The bolded part is incorrect. As a PAL holder my wife and I are both run through the CPIC system (Canadian Police Information Centre system) daily. It's just a fact of life in Canada as a legal firearms owner.

Continuous eligibility doesn’t work like that. You don’t get a “background” check every day, it’s a check between names of license holders and those who have interactions with police and have their names recorded as part of that interaction. It’s CPIC talking to CFIS (which stores the names of license holders) and generating Firearms Interest Police reports for the provincial CFOs to follow up on.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

In today’s news, a student faces arrest and expulsion

This seems to work well.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You want clout then here's the way that you would have to do this, and its the only way this works.

You find all of the richest gun control advocates that you can find. You have them reach out of as many victims as you can and get them to sign off on the idea of a gun control lobby group.

You then have to go out and lobby for support in every city in every state and fund raise like crazy to show that this is a serious movement.

Supposedly the NRA only spends about 3 to 4 million bucks a year on lobbying and campaign support. Who knows if that's true, or what happens behind the scenes.

Anyways, you get the what I call ANRA (Anti National Riflemens association), to spend 10 times that amount of public advertising, campaign contributions, lobbying.

You reach out to every senator or congressmen that's in any kind of danger of losing a election, and you flat out give them money, and campaign expertise.

The wheels of change is always going to be based around money.

Basically if you want to get gun control, you have to buy as many people on both sides of the aisle as popular, and you have to spend a bunch of money on public education and advertising as possible to ensure that the president realizes that if he veto's any passed gun control bill that he'll be facing the wrath of the ANRA and the voters.

In other words, you have to buy Congress and the Senate, oh and the State Legislatures.

People confuse the idea that lobbying groups in washington are the only way to influence politicians.

its not.

so while the sums batted about for direct NRA lobbying in washington are low compared to other lobby groups, the fact of the matter is that many of these candidate are "dyed in the campaign" NRA supporters.

The gun rights organization spent a stupendous $54.4 million in the 2016 election cycle, almost all of it in "independent expenditures," meaning spending for or against a candidate but not a direct contribution to a campaign.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...003-story.html

simply put, the elections do not restrict Political Action Groups (CPAC) from putting out whatever kind of ads they want to, without restriction... so even though they might not be directly supporting Senator X with contributions, they can easily spend through the roof against Senator Y because, for example, of a pro-gun control stance.

the legislators are not exactly "portraits in courage"... they toe the line because 1) the believe in the 2nd Amendment, even when it gravitates to nonsensical interpretations (Constitutional Carry) or 2) they know that they will be targeted the next election cycle with all the money that the NRA and their supporters can muster to ouster them from office.

So morons like Bret Stephens can try twisting the facts (FU NYTimes), but to borrow from Matt Taibbi, the NRA is "great vampire squid wrapped around the face of the US government, relentlessly jamming the butt end of their bump stock into the face of anyone that dares combine the word "Gun" and "Control""

[llwhiteoutll]

And nothing is stopping pro-gun control groups from outspending the NRA and getting more people out to vote. If people turned their words into actions and not just social media talk, politicians would follow the votes

[metallicat]

The pro-gun people of CP are noticeably silent yesterday and today.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

And nothing is stopping pro-gun control groups from outspending the NRA and getting more people out to vote. If people turned their words into actions and not just social media talk, politicians would follow the votes

that's true

the reason politicians cower is that, more often than not, the NRA or pro gun lobby's anointed candidate wins. So there is no reason, except one's conscious, to try to affect change when the people don't support them at the next election cycle.

Personally, wrt guns, i think America is broken... too many cowards, psychos and 'vampire squids' making too much money to want anything to change.

sad as it is to say, mass shootings are like a money cannon for gun manufacturers... just watch the guns sales this month...

let it rain, let it rain...

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by metallicat

The pro-gun people of CP are noticeably silent yesterday and today.

This is a big one so they'll wait until tomorrow.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by metallicat

The pro-gun people of CP are noticeably silent yesterday and today.

Can't talk, praying.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by jayswin

This is a big one so they'll wait until tomorrow.

Many sides... many sides.

[Looch City]

Saw this funny comment on Reddit:

They don't even give teachers enough budget for pens and pencils but they're all of sudden going to arm everyone with Glocks?

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by metallicat

The pro-gun people of CP are noticeably silent yesterday and today.

And all of the anti-gun people are quiet on the ar15.com forums. What's your point?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

And all of the anti-gun people are quiet on the ar15.com forums. What's your point?

The point is automatic or semi-automatic weapon ownership is for insecure troglodytes.

Bolt-action or gtfo.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The point is automatic or semi-automatic weapon ownership is for insecure troglodytes.

Bolt-action or gtfo.

Thank you for responding and confirming my point.

[PsYcNeT]

I’m a huge proponent of the right to bear arms and if other people’s children are subjected to grievous harm and brutal murders while at school for me to keep that right, well that’s just a price I’m willing to pay.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

And all of the anti-gun people are quiet on the ar15.com forums. What's your point?

I just spent the last 10 minutes reading an AR15 forum. There were a few posters that seemed legitimately angry about the shooting. Overall, most of the posters were more upset about losing gun rights than the murder of 17 people. Many of the comments were quite disgusting given what has happened.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

I just spent the last 10 minutes reading an AR15 forum. There were a few posters that seemed legitimately angry about the shooting. Overall, most of the posters were more upset about losing gun rights than the murder of 17 people. Many of the comments were quite disgusting given what has happened.

My point was if you were to register and start to debate the pros of gun control on that site, you would soon discover that it is pointless. CP isn't any different, in my opinion; there is an echo chamber that doesn't provide a conducive environment for discussing opposing viewpoints.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The AR-15 realistically has one purpose: mass death. Self-defense? Get the #### out of here. Unless you're defending yourself against the T-1000, any hand gun will suffice for self-defense. If you need more power, a shotgun works too. Stopping the tyrannical government? Yes, the government who can literally wipe out the entire population without firing a single bullet because of chemical and biological weapons will sure be scared of AR-15's. Hunting? What are you hunting that you need an AR-15? So the AR-15 only exists for killing scores of people faster than any other (available) weapon can. How these things are still legal is quite astonishing, and speaks to the immense power of the NRA. I'm not even sure the Israel lobby has as much power as the NRA does.

[2Stonedbirds]

Scattergun with 2/0 buck is best for "home defense" IMO. More stopping power than most handguns, yet less penetrating power so you don't run the risk of hitting your neighbor.
And if CP manages to get the cost of cartridges up to 50 bones a squeeze, you can always use it as a club.

[MRCboicgy]

Here's a thread about the damage idiots like the folks over at Infowars are doing https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/s...87511017869316