2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I get that the circumstances are entirely different yet its still funny to read all theses "Necas, no!!!!" type posts when not long ago it was "We could have had Necas instead of Huberdeau?? No!!!!"

Look at the group of posters that narrative comes from. Nothing will make a certain group of posters on this site happy unless they get to be unhappy about something to do with the Flames. We saw it when the Flames were doing well three years ago, a lot of those guys were nowhere to be found until the end of the Oilers series. They will say they are Flames fans and they are but only when the team is a mess so they can bitch about it.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look at the group of posters that narrative comes from. Nothing will make a certain group of posters on this site happy unless they get to be unhappy about something to do with the Flames. We saw it when the Flames were doing well three years ago, a lot of those guys were nowhere to be found until the end of the Oilers series. They will say they are Flames fans and they are but only when the team is a mess so they can bitch about it.

Boring

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Boring

Because you are one of them? Would you like a tissue because I pointed that out?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by konradical

Flames also finished 3 points from a playoff spot with Marky playing terrible the year before?

Every year is unpredictable for these middling teams like the Flames. We could finish bottom 5 maybe but also could be the second wildcard

Fair point but let's hope not.
Finishing wild card or just outside is the worst case scenario for a team that needs high draft picks.
I want to term middling to be away from this franchise.

[Kipper_3434]

Maybe we can let the off season play out before predicting the flames position in the standings 11 months from now. As bad as the team was end of year, they have 20m in cap space and only about 2-3spots to fill. Surplus draft picks, and lots of players/ prospects with unrealized upside. If this team pieces together a competent defense and comes out with the powerplay they ended the season with, playoffs would be a lock in the pacific.

Of course they could stink and finish bottom 5. Hard to tell.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by shutout

I would think that if the Flames are moving the 9OA pick it would be for a player like Zegras and not someone like Necas.

That said maybe the Flames decide to move both first round picks and add in both Zegras and Necas while signing Dumba to a three year deal on defense.

I think I just puked in my mouth. There is 0 chance. None. Zilch that zegras is more valuable than Necas unless you're zegras's parents.

Zegras is such a terrible hockey player I honestly wonder if anyone has even watched him play the last 2 years. He's been healthy scratched on one of the worst teams in the league.

Dude is cooked. He'd be lucky to fetch a late 2nd at this point.

[Mass_nerder]

Zegras reminds of Semin.
One dimensional, soft, but can make flashy plays.
I don't think he's cooked, but I also don't think he's ever going to be a difference maker. Purely a secondary player on a good team.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look at the group of posters that narrative comes from. Nothing will make a certain group of posters on this site happy unless they get to be unhappy about something to do with the Flames. We saw it when the Flames were doing well three years ago, a lot of those guys were nowhere to be found until the end of the Oilers series. They will say they are Flames fans and they are but only when the team is a mess so they can bitch about it.

What is there to be happy about? You don't have to be a blind pollyanna to be a fan.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Redrum

What is there to be happy about? You don't have to be a blind pollyanna to be a fan.

Ask Arizona fans what there is to be happy about.

[traptor]

Yeah it's a terrible time to be a flames fan. Perhaps the worst ever?

Oilers knocked us out of playoffs.
Our two best players leave in the middle of their prime.
Sign the worst contract in the NHL for next 8 years.
Conditions on our upcoming 1st round.
Missed playoffs back to back years.
Refusal to rebuild (allegedly)
No high end talent in the system.
Oilers very well could be going to the finals playing against a team with multiple ex flames.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah it's a terrible time to be a flames fan. Perhaps the worst ever?

Oilers knocked us out of playoffs.
Our two best players leave in the middle of their prime.
Sign the worst contract in the NHL for next 8 years.
Conditions on our upcoming 1st round.
Missed playoffs back to back years.
Refusal to rebuild (allegedly)
No high end talent in the system.
Oilers very well could be going to the finals playing against a team with multiple ex flames.

I don't know who in the Universe the Flames pissed off when they beat Dallas in those playoffs...but we give up. Mercy. Whatever we need to say. Think we've gotten enough punishment the last two seasons.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't know who in the Universe the Flames pissed off when they beat Dallas in those playoffs...but we give up. Mercy. Whatever we need to say. Think we've gotten enough punishment the last two seasons.

Getting our come up ins for the E=NG thread? I mean it’s true so not a very just hockey god if that’s the case.

[Aarongavey]

I feel like the solution for the Flames is staring them in the face. Still feel they can get two other high first round picks for Markstrom and Anderson. Given the general trajectory of the team they should pick high in 2025 and 2026. They may get a little luck from Vegas. If things broke their way they could have 4-6 picks in the top ten of the draft over 3 years. That would almost certainly set them up to be a pretty good team for an extended stretch. They also have a number of other players they could trade for other picks (some who may garner another first round pick or two). Not sure I can think of a single team that has as many marketable assets that they could trade to start a rebuild off right.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah it's a terrible time to be a flames fan. Perhaps the worst ever?

Oilers knocked us out of playoffs.
Our two best players leave in the middle of their prime.
Sign the worst contract in the NHL for next 8 years.
Conditions on our upcoming 1st round.
Missed playoffs back to back years.
Refusal to rebuild (allegedly)
No high end talent in the system.
Oilers very well could be going to the finals playing against a team with multiple ex flames.

None of that matters when you remember at least you have a team to cheer for. It's sports, it's entertainment, have fun with it.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I actually did think he was still an RFA so that is disappointing. But I do still think you hold him and see how he does as the season moves along.

Coleman is someone I would sell to highest bidder today.

Nope, we got him to hope he breaks out as an underused player in New Jersey, but also signed him short term right to free agency.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I feel like the solution for the Flames is staring them in the face. Still feel they can get two other high first round picks for Markstrom and Anderson. Given the general trajectory of the team they should pick high in 2025 and 2026. They may get a little luck from Vegas. If things broke their way they could have 4-6 picks in the top ten of the draft over 3 years. That would almost certainly set them up to be a pretty good team for an extended stretch. They also have a number of other players they could trade for other picks (some who may garner another first round pick or two). Not sure I can think of a single team that has as many marketable assets that they could trade to start a rebuild off right.

I'm not sure those deals will be out there but if they are the Flames need to jump all over them. Adding a couple extra 1st rounders for Andersson and Markstrom would hopefully land you two future pieces in your top 6 or top 4 while also helping you land a top 5 pick next year. That is a much better position than holding onto them, finishing 10th, and reducing their trade value even further.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I feel like the solution for the Flames is staring them in the face. Still feel they can get two other high first round picks for Markstrom and Anderson. Given the general trajectory of the team they should pick high in 2025 and 2026. They may get a little luck from Vegas. If things broke their way they could have 4-6 picks in the top ten of the draft over 3 years. That would almost certainly set them up to be a pretty good team for an extended stretch. They also have a number of other players they could trade for other picks (some who may garner another first round pick or two). Not sure I can think of a single team that has as many marketable assets that they could trade to start a rebuild off right.

Agreed and with the longer trajectory for defencemen picking up a couple in this draft would fit our timeline well. Both Anderson and a good markstrom probably kept us around ten rather than five and we certainly arent onea player away from being legit.

Bite the bullet. Multiple teams have incentive to get better sooner rather than later. Ottawa, utah, buffalo all have reason to improve. Seattle, detroit,minnesota, st louis could move something for the right deal.

Nashville has three seconds, plus 23 I believe. They could make a move. Utah has three seconds.

Retention deal could be had somewhere. Load up the magazine.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'm not sure those deals will be out there but if they are the Flames need to jump all over them. Adding a couple extra 1st rounders for Andersson and Markstrom would hopefully land you two future pieces in your top 6 or top 4 while also helping you land a top 5 pick next year. That is a much better position than holding onto them, finishing 10th, and reducing their trade value even further.

On the goaltending side I have the following teams as possibly or likely in the market for a goaltending upgrade this offseason - New Jersey, LA, Ottawa, Carolina, Colorado. I think there are really two goalies in play (Markstrom and Ullmark) with maybe Saros being in play for the right price. Especially if there is retention I could see the Flames getting a pretty good haul for Markstrom.

For instance does Colorado do something like Markstrom (50%) + Dallas Stars 2024 2nd for Calum Ritchie, a cap dump of their choosing and an unprotected 2026 1st? A trade like that allows them to possibly sign Mittelstadt and Walker, allows them to plan for a potential Nichushkin return and have space to add some more pieces up front or on the backend. Obviously only Jersey and Ottawa have the ability to give up top 10 picks this year for Markstrom (or Rasmus, I could see Ottawa being interested in either player) but I do think there is a strong market for both players if Conroy wanted to go all-in on a focused 3 year accumulation of assets.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah it's a terrible time to be a flames fan. Perhaps the worst ever?

Oilers knocked us out of playoffs.
Our two best players leave in the middle of their prime.
Sign the worst contract in the NHL for next 8 years.
Conditions on our upcoming 1st round.
Missed playoffs back to back years.
Refusal to rebuild (allegedly)
No high end talent in the system.
Oilers very well could be going to the finals playing against a team with multiple ex flames.

Don't forget the plan to retool (just saying this word deserves clown music).

We will retool around our amazing players like Huberdeau, Andersson and Kuzmenko! What could go wrong, who needs a rebuild!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

On the goaltending side I have the following teams as possibly or likely in the market for a goaltending upgrade this offseason - New Jersey, LA, Ottawa, Carolina, Colorado. I think there are really two goalies in play (Markstrom and Ullmark) with maybe Saros being in play for the right price. Especially if there is retention I could see the Flames getting a pretty good haul for Markstrom.

For instance does Colorado do something like Markstrom (50%) + Dallas Stars 2024 2nd for Calum Ritchie, a cap dump of their choosing and an unprotected 2026 1st? A trade like that allows them to possibly sign Mittelstadt and Walker, allows them to plan for a potential Nichushkin return and have space to add some more pieces up front or on the backend. Obviously only Jersey and Ottawa have the ability to give up top 10 picks this year for Markstrom (or Rasmus, I could see Ottawa being interested in either player) but I do think there is a strong market for both players if Conroy wanted to go all-in on a focused 3 year accumulation of assets.

All good ideas if the Flames are rebuilding.

But they are not.

The 3-year accumulation of assets could be the start of something great. Or not. But retooling is pretty much guaranteed to result in nothing special.