Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by nik-

Isn't it now 21 with the Caps out?

nm, forgot the Caps won their division.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

The Caps were already below the Blues in the standings so it didn't matter who won between the Rangers and the Caps.

Aren't divison winners ranked below all other playoff teams for 15-27?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Aren't divison winners ranked below all other playoff teams for 15-27?

Yes, my Ninja edit wasn't quick enough. LOL

Now that I think about it, the Rangers have to beat Boston before the pick is moved up to 21st. If the Rangers lose the pick stays at 22nd.

If Boston and Washington would have won, there wouldn't have been a chance to move up at all. If Toronto and the Rangers had won they would have immediately moved up to 21st.

With the Rangers winning there is still a chance, but they have to beat Boston first, because Boston finished ahead of St-Louis.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by nik-

Isn't it now 21 with the Caps out?

No, the Caps won their division so they were already drafting after the Blues were because the Blues bowed out in the first two rounds (round 1)

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

The Caps were already below the Blues in the standings so it didn't matter who won between the Rangers and the Caps.

See above. Division winners are placed ahead of non-division winners regardless of point totals. Now what we want is for teams below the Blues in the standing to make the Conference finals, each team that does knocks the Blues pick down a notch.

In this case that includes the Rangers, Wings, Senators, Sharks and Kings. Now, since the Sharks and Kings are playing each other that means one of them is guaranteed to advance to the Conference finals, so the when we say the Blues pick is 22nd it means we've already accounted for one of the Sharks or Kings getting to round #3.

Again....Blues pick is currently #22.

Sens beat Pens, Blues pick improves one spot.
Rangers beat Bruins, Blues pick improves one spot.
Wings beat Hawks, Blues pick improves one spot.
Sharks/Kings series has already resulted in Blues pick moving from #23 to #22.

[dammage79]

Wait... this seems a little backwards. I thought the Boston series had no effect on the Blues pick until the second round. And then if the Caps (division winner) lost, it bumped the pick one spot to 21. Why wouldn't the Caps loss affect it when the Nucks, Habs and Ducks losses did? My brain is not computing these changes from 24 hours ago. Should be #21 with 4 division winners out of the playoffs in the first round.

I thought regardless of how many points a team had if they won the division it was automatic to finish higher than non-division winners with more points. Hence how the seeding works.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Wait... this seems a little backwards. I thought the Boston series had no effect on the Blues pick until the second round. And then if the Caps (division winner) lost, it bumped the pick one spot to 21. Why wouldn't the Caps loss affect it when the Nucks, Habs and Ducks losses did? My brain is not computing these changes from 24 hours ago. Should be #21 with 4 division winners out of the playoffs in the first round.

to put it as simple as I can. Because if the Rangers lose against the Bruins they (Rangers) still draft 19th. If the Rangers beat the Bruins, then they (Rangers) draft 26th to 30th pushing the Blues pick down one.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Wait... this seems a little backwards. I thought the Boston series had no effect on the Blues pick until the second round. And then if the Caps (division winner) lost, it bumped the pick one spot to 21. Why wouldn't the Caps loss affect it when the Nucks, Habs and Ducks losses did? My brain is not computing these changes from 24 hours ago. Should be #21 with 4 division winners out of the playoffs in the first round.

If the Leafs hadn't choked, then they would have played the Rangers in round #2 which would have been the same scenario as the Sharks vs. Kings. IE either team winning that series is going to result in the Blues pick dropping a spot.

Now, if the Bruins beat the Rangers the Blues pick stays the same because the Bruins were ahead of the Blues in the overall standings.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

to put it as simple as I can. Because if the Rangers lose against the Bruins they still draft 19th. If the Rangers beat the Bruins, then they draft 26th to 30th pushing the Blues pick down one.

Yeah that effects 19-20 picks. Still should be 21 after all the first round results.

[dammage79]

Sorry, not trying to argue, thought I had a firm grasp on how things were shaking down. I'll just shut up now.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Wait... this seems a little backwards. I thought the Boston series had no effect on the Blues pick until the second round. And then if the Caps (division winner) lost, it bumped the pick one spot to 21. Why wouldn't the Caps loss affect it when the Nucks, Habs and Ducks losses did? My brain is not computing these changes from 24 hours ago. Should be #21 with 4 division winners out of the playoffs in the first round.

I thought regardless of how many points a team had if they won the division it was automatic to finish higher than non-division winners with more points. Hence how the seeding works.

You're right... but BOS finished with more points than STL... so they're, in essence, like a Division winner in this scenario... we need teams BELOW STL in the standing to make the 3rd round, thereby leap-frogging STL and moving their pick one closer to the beginning of the draft.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah that effects 19-20 picks. Still should be 21 after all the first round results.

No, you're missing what I'm trying to say. Hard to explain...

If the Rangers lose in the 2nd round it has zero affect on the Flames because the Rangers finished behind the Blues and stay behind the blues.

If the Rangers win in the second round they pick 26 to 30th because the final 4 pick 26th to 30th.

Then there would be 2 teams picking after the Blues (Boston and New york). which pushed the Blues pick one slot.

[dammage79]

It's all good. Just going to cheer for the Rangers to help the pick along. And the Sens.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's all good. Just going to cheer for the Rangers to help the pick along. And the Sens.

DOn't forget about them 'Wings!!!

[PlayfulGenius]

sorry, wrong thread.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

DOn't forget about them 'Wings!!!

Would be cool to see. But I see a Hawks/Kings WCF. Which will be pretty much the SCF because those two teams will eat any eastern team alive.

[Robbob]

bottom line it is all on three teams. For each one that wins their next series we move up one spot.

Detroit
Ottawa
New York

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Robbob

bottom line it is all on three teams. For each one that wins their next series we move up one spot.

Detroit
Ottawa
New York

Also of note, if all three of those teams advance the Pens pick would be 25th overall.

[Dienasty]

Cheer for Ottawa first! If they win the Pitt pick moves up from 29 to 26 and the st Louis pick goes from 22 to 21. Then Detroit as that would bump up both the st Louis and Pitt picks one spot. Rangers only move up the st Louis pick 1 spot. Thus:
Cheer hardest for Ottawa
Second hardest for Detroit
And lastly the rangers.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Wait... this seems a little backwards. I thought the Boston series had no effect on the Blues pick until the second round. And then if the Caps (division winner) lost, it bumped the pick one spot to 21. Why wouldn't the Caps loss affect it when the Nucks, Habs and Ducks losses did? My brain is not computing these changes from 24 hours ago. Should be #21 with 4 division winners out of the playoffs in the first round.

I thought regardless of how many points a team had if they won the division it was automatic to finish higher than non-division winners with more points. Hence how the seeding works.

If the leafs an rangers both won, they would play eachother, so it would have been assumed that one of the two would be in the conference final, and bumped the blues pick to 21. Now it's up to the rangers to stop the bruins.

[dying4acup]

On a side note, how odd would it be if iginla faced Regehr and Sutter in the SCF?