Brad Treliving needs to go

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's weird how voraciously some people will defend this mediocrity.

Haha I laugh reading some posters defend Treliving like he's some sort of amazing GM. 7 years to me is plenty but let's go for 8 why not.

[SuperMatt18]

I'm at the point where I'm not sure I really like Treliving as GM or not.

But I also have no faith ownership will bring in somebody better than Treliving, and think it's way more likely they get somebody worse.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Haha I laugh reading some posters defend Treliving like he's some sort of amazing GM. 7 years to me is plenty but let's go for 8 why not.

Who is doing this?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's weird how voraciously some people will defend this mediocrity.

I think it's somewhat similar to people that stay in abusive relationships. Make no mistake the Calgary Flames organization has abused its fans. In the 90's when could excuse the team because of the money disparity but ownership is still responsible for a decade where there was a lot of dysfunction in the organization as they had too many cooks in the kitchen in with Coates, McDonald, Polano, Bremner, etc. When King and Sutter brought back some stability they drove it into the ground with their playoffs or bust mentality to which they have once again repeated with the current group.

The decades of mediocrity has normalized the fans to losing. You can see it here with posters that still believe after 7 years of mediocrity with Treliving if the team sticks it out management group that things will change but in abusive relationships we know that never happens. The biggest thing about abusive relationships for the victim is fear. Fans are scared things could get worse not realizing that they have become acclimated to a lack of success. The reality is that change is the only thing that can bring success to this organization and it's a matter of fans believing that they deserve better.

[Flamesfan05]

7 yrs is enough

Treliving can make deals but he has no idea on how to build a roster and can’t judge talents

People that want to keep him is like low self esteem people that don’t leave a bad job because they don’t think they can find a better one

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

7 yrs is enough

I disagree.

Treliving can make deals but he has no idea on how to build a roster and can’t judge talents

I am not convinced of this.

People that want to keep him is like low self esteem people that don’t leave a bad job because they don’t think they can find a better one

Yeah, stereotyping is always the most productive way to carry on a conversation with those who disagree with you. Well done.

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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I disagree.


I am not convinced of this.


Yeah, stereotyping is always the most productive way to carry on a conversation with those who disagree with you. Well done.

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There is really not much to discuss with people that took 7 years of futility and come back asking for more

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

There is really not much to discuss with people that took 7 years of futility and come back asking for more

Yet...you continue doing so.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You might as well just come out and say 'Treliving should be fired because I don't like him'.

A coin toss? how many decisions do you think he has had to make over the past 7 years? how many do you think we, as fans, actually hear about? Friedman himself said on a recent podcast he thinks he hears about 10% of what is discussed between GM's.

Frankly, we don't know what we don't know. How many hundreds of decisions do you think he has had to make and why would you suggest he is only 50/50 on those? Based on what, exactly? It seems like you, and some others, don't like the guy and your ability to think critically about it is clearly secondary.

Talk about a drive by.

On the contrary. How it seems to you is not particularly important to me, and my ability to think critically is just fine

This ‘we don’t know what we don’t know’ is not particularly useful. Because we do know what we do know. We have right in front of us plenty of data in terms of moves made, moves not made but reported, and we have the actual results right in front of us.

I am not prioritizing the decisions that I don’t see because we are discussing a sports team which by virtue of how it operates necessarily discloses a lot of information

I didn’t say a coin toss, I said a series of well framed coin tosses

Think of it this way. I can understand the reasoning behind a lot of moves he has made or attempted to make, and I have listened to his pressers and various conversations he has had discussing them, and after seeing the outcome, many have turned out below expectations.

I am not going to relist the rap sheet but it’s actually quite long

I don’t think Treliving ‘should be fired because I don’t like him’’. I think he should be fired because of the decisions he has made, and their results.

More along the driving theme, I think he should be fired for driving this thing in to the ditch

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's weird how voraciously some people will defend this mediocrity.

At various points several people have outlined their reasons, that go beyond, well beyond, "defending mediocrity".
I've also stated several times that thinking that BT should be fired is valid, and that I don't expect to change others' minds.
But the above is such a lame take and not additive to the discussion.
You believe he should be fired. Great.
Others don't. For reasons outlined.
Doesn't mean they are accepting mediocrity. Rather it just means they see things differently including what is driving the issues for this franchise.
So engage in that discussion. Or continue to post clever drive bys like the above to look down on those just because the hold a different view. Because that's awesome right?

I respect that some believe BT should be fired.
Would be nice to have that respect in return.

But some seem unable to see past their own view and consider that someone else may think differently or at least respect that.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I disagree.


I am not convinced of this.


Yeah, stereotyping is always the most productive way to carry on a conversation with those who disagree with you. Well done.

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That isn't stereotyping, it's a simile.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

7 yrs is enough

Treliving can make deals but he has no idea on how to build a roster and can’t judge talents

People that want to keep him is like low self esteem people that don’t leave a bad job because they don’t think they can find a better one

People who don't want to keep him might have self esteem issues and don't want to leave a bad job for a new one!

Just my 2 cents. Just say you disagree, state your pov, no need to stereotype. To be fair a lot of people who are supporting BT have said there may not be a better option and that finances, contracts, constraints may be factors as well as availability and waiting until the end of the playoffs.

Helps a lot to establish respect by embracing other perspectives while stating your own.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

7 yrs is enough

Treliving can make deals but he has no idea on how to build a roster and can’t judge talents

People that want to keep him is like low self esteem people that don’t leave a bad job because they don’t think they can find a better one

Honestly can't believe you don't have the filter to keep yourself from hitting send on a post like this.

But congratulations you may have found a new low for having to demean others that don't agree with your point.

We should meet for a beer sometime, so I can make it really clear how little I struggle with self confidence while being on the side of supporting Treliving.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I find it interesting how much attention one post may get compared to the one, say, immediately preceding it

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I find it interesting how much attention one post may get compared to the one, say, immediately preceding it

One is just a guy I don't agree with that doesn't feel the need to insult everyone he disagrees with.

He gets a gold star.

The other post (not poster) needs a trip to the wood shed.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Honestly can't believe you don't have the filter to keep yourself from hitting send on a post like this.

But congratulations you may have found a new low for having to demean others that don't agree with your point.

We should meet for a beer sometime, so I can make it really clear how little I struggle with self confidence while being on the side of supporting Treliving.

It’s just a general statement, not targeting anyone

I have been called much worse on here and frankly it doesn’t bother me that much.

[zamler]

How many years is enough? I keep asking and get no answer from the 7 years is not enough Tre supporters.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

7 yrs is enough

Treliving can make deals but he has no idea on how to build a roster and can’t judge talents

People that want to keep him is like low self esteem people that don’t leave a bad job because they don’t think they can find a better one

Well, we have had some posters on this board claim that they can read what Brad Treliving is thinking/feeling by his facial expressions during press conferences so, sure, why not?

It would be wise to listen to the face readers and internet forum psycho analysts.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Honestly can't believe you don't have the filter to keep yourself from hitting send on a post like this.

But congratulations you may have found a new low for having to demean others that don't agree with your point.

We should meet for a beer sometime, so I can make it really clear how little I struggle with self confidence while being on the side of supporting Treliving.

If you're buying I'm in!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by zamler

How many years is enough? I keep asking and get no answer from the 7 years is not enough Tre supporters.

All you have to do is read man. Read what others are saying.

From mid season on I've had a pretty constant view and I have no issues laying it out again.

I think Treliving has been excellent at drafting, and at contract negotiations. I think he wins more trades than he loses. I think he's had his wobbles in the UFA market and with coaching decisions, but then even there the only one I fully hang on him is Gulutzan.

He went in on Monahan and Gaudreau as top line talents and was wrong for whatever reason. They're not that good ... Monahan injuries ... who knows.

I didn't see the Gaudreau and Monahan five on five collapse so I'm not going to act like a genius in hindsight.

So you have a bet on something I agreed on, and the rest showing a guy that is building a foundation in my mind. I get from the guy that he learns with mistakes and is a different manager now than he was when he was hired.

So I think you keep him, because his strengths line up with the market - better to draft well in a city that doesn't draw talent. It's the biggest key.

Add to that the fear of the unknown ... his replacement ... and I say stay the course.

Or is that just the rumblings of a beaten down low self esteem hockey fan?