Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sorry McDoofus should read Victim, I screwed up the names.

some of you might view this crappy article that I wrote as callus and unfeeling, or insensitive, and that's fine. But at this point, there's nothing thats going to change or be done down there, so we might as well point out the sheer absurdity of the whole situation and how freaking stupid it is, and how an amendment in the framework of their nation is literally a suicide note.

Can you at least spoiler it so I can scroll past it easier?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

lol, we're thanking principals for their service now? It's not a volunteer gig - they make $130k/year in Calgary and only work nine months a year.
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Seriously, do you get a notification email anytime someone says anything about teachers or anyone involved in education.

[Senator Clay Davis]

https://twitter.com/user/status/964195101621870594

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Seriously, do you get a notification email anytime someone says anything about teachers or anyone involved in education.

Fair comment and I try to shut up a bit about it as any point I've had has been made, but thanking a principal for their service was ridiculous. Way to cheapen the sentiment. The next step is calling a principal a hero.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Fair comment .

Not to derail this thread, and dude I like you and your posts, but I just fixed your post for you.



On Topic, but this really makes me think about asking my friends and family to move home to Canada.

[wwkayaker]

Sliver, I’m curious what you think the principals at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School are doing today? Most likely the admin are doing their best to help kids and families comprehend and deal with yesterday’s events. In the near future, those admin will be reopening the school and will be working with students and staff to overcome the tragedy. I would say these folks are heroes.

In regards to the guy thanking principals for their service, I thanked the post mostly for fun because most principals and teachers are not heroic in a context relevant to adults. As far as kids go, you may be surprised when the safety a school and its personnel offers become heroic in the eyes of disadvantaged students. Also, I haven’t been thanked many times so I am taking that thanks for all it is worth.

Today, millions of kids are going to school trusting that they will be safe in their classrooms and that the adults in the building will do their best to ensure a safe environment. The next week will encompass far more than just teaching the curriculum. So, maybe for a week you can put aside your dislike of principals/teachers, your belief that they have a 9 month work year, and the ‘undeserved’ high rates of pay.

I enjoy your posts, Silver. I agree with some of your posts about education but I also recognize that your view is ignorant in many ways.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

Sliver, I’m curious what you think the principals at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School are doing today? Most likely the admin are doing their best to help kids and families comprehend and deal with yesterday’s events. In the near future, those admin will be reopening the school and will be working with students and staff to overcome the tragedy. I would say these folks are heroes.

In regards to the guy thanking principals for their service, I thanked the post mostly for fun because most principals and teachers are not heroic in a context relevant to adults. As far as kids go, you may be surprised when the safety a school and its personnel offers become heroic in the eyes of disadvantaged students. Also, I haven’t been thanked many times so I am taking that thanks for all it is worth.

Today, millions of kids are going to school trusting that they will be safe in their classrooms and that the adults in the building will do their best to ensure a safe environment. The next week will encompass far more than just teaching the curriculum. So, maybe for a week you can put aside your dislike of principals/teachers, your belief that they have a 9 month work year, and the ‘undeserved’ high rates of pay.

I enjoy your posts, Silver. I agree with some of your posts about education but I also recognize that your view is ignorant in many ways.

In a rare moment of maturity that is surprising even me, I want to acknowledge your post and leave you with the last word on this issue in this thread.

[wwkayaker]

I am unable to upload the photos but two girls have been identified. I don’t know how congress can see these images and hear the details yet fail to do anything.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Rubicant

Congratulations on somehow bringing your usual potshots at education workers into a thread discussing a mass shooting at a school.

It wasn't easy, but you pulled it off.

Just needed to mention Teachers who own dogs and it would have been a slam dunk.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Sliver

In a rare moment of maturity that is surprising even me, I want to acknowledge your post and leave you with the last word on this issue in this thread.

Cheers! The kids should be the focus anyway.

[OMG!WTF!]

Add one more to the white guy right wing militia terror list...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fl...teid=rss&rss=1

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Not to derail this thread, and dude I like you and your posts, but I just fixed your post for you.



On Topic, but this really makes me think about asking my friends and family to move home to Canada.

That's kind of a ridiculous statement. Although they get a lot of attention, the of dying in a mass shooting is not even close to be statistically significant. You are probably about 100 times more likely to die in a car crash on the way to school than to die by a shooter.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

That's kind of a ridiculous statement. Although they get a lot of attention, the of dying in a mass shooting is not even close to be statistically significant. You are probably about 100 times more likely to die in a car crash on the way to school than to die by a shooter.

Yeah it might be a ridiculous statement, but I don't really care what you think.


It is no more ridiculous than the this never ending mass shootings in the US.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Add one more to the white guy right wing militia terror list...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fl...teid=rss&rss=1

But...but...Mexicans and Muslims. Those people are dangerous. We have to build the wall!

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by direwolf

But...but...Mexicans and Muslims. Those people are dangerous. We have to build the wall!

guarantee the white supremacist angle will get about 3 secs of air time on Faux News before they switch the focus back on illegal immigrants being the cause of criminal activity in the states.

[meritmat]

Originally Posted by Sliver

lol, we're thanking principals for their service now? It's not a volunteer gig - they make $130k/year in Calgary and only work nine months a year.

These shootings in the USA are so exhausting. Like religious people and Trumpsters, when people don't care about facts there's nothing you can do to change their minds.

I was thanking him because it a damn hard job, your dealing with todays youth that have a huge sense of entitlement (some not all) parents that blame everybody else for there childs problems instead of looking in the mirror. I don't think there paid enough and no I'm not a teacher.

MOD EDIT: Deleted insults.

[CroFlames]

Talking in circles as usual.

If Sandy Hook didn't touch off changes, nothing will.

People in that country are OK with mass shootings, that has been proven. Las Vegas is already a distant memory.

[Envitro]

A simple solution for gun control in the U.S., loosely based off of our laws:

Constitutional Amendment to re-inforce the 2nd Ammendment with the right to bear arms, with the following conditions that bring the law into the 21st century:

1. In order to possess a firearm or firearm related parts you must pass a safety course, background check and a mental-health background check, after which you will be licensed to own firearms (and/or parts) for a period of 5 years. After expiration of 5 years you may re-apply for a small fee ($50) at which time another comprehensive background check will be performed. You are also subject to a daily background check.
2. If you commit a violent crime or commit a crime with a firearm you can never own a firearm again, and your existing firearms will be confiscated at once
3. Improper and unsafe storage of firearms will be grounds for revocation of the license, confiscation of firearms, and jail time
4. It is illegal to sell, gift, or transfer firearms to someone under the age of 18, or anyone that is not licensed
5. No government entity or law enforcement agency can dispossess a legally licensed gun owner from his firearms without cause and due process (i.e. court order)
6. It is illegal to make threats of violence as a legal owner of firearms. The licensee would be subject to revocation of license and prosecution

In my mind, point E would go a long way to calming down the far right in the U.S.. The argument against "they're going to take our guns away" kind of disappears but they'll always argue that it's a conspiracy etc. etc.

Point F goes to all of these tough guys that talk a big game and make threats, and then you find out that they're in possession of a ####load of guns. At least the police can act on it before something happens.
This is pretty close to what we have here.

Even without this, if the cops went to this kids house and scared the crap out of him, told him that they're watching him at all times, then maybe this wouldn't have happened. I don't know, but just maybe.

Thoughts?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Envitro

A simple solution for gun control in the U.S., loosely based off of our laws:

Constitutional Amendment to re-inforce the 2nd Ammendment with the right to bear arms, with the following conditions that bring the law into the 21st century:

1. In order to possess a firearm or firearm related parts you must pass a safety course, background check and a mental-health background check, after which you will be licensed to own firearms (and/or parts) for a period of 5 years. After expiration of 5 years you may re-apply for a small fee ($50) at which time another comprehensive background check will be performed. You are also subject to a daily background check.
2. If you commit a violent crime or commit a crime with a firearm you can never own a firearm again, and your existing firearms will be confiscated at once
3. Improper and unsafe storage of firearms will be grounds for revocation of the license, confiscation of firearms, and jail time
4. It is illegal to sell, gift, or transfer firearms to someone under the age of 18, or anyone that is not licensed
5. No government entity or law enforcement agency can dispossess a legally licensed gun owner from his firearms without cause and due process (i.e. court order)
6. It is illegal to make threats of violence as a legal owner of firearms. The licensee would be subject to revocation of license and prosecution

In my mind, point E would go a long way to calming down the far right in the U.S.. The argument against "they're going to take our guns away" kind of disappears but they'll always argue that it's a conspiracy etc. etc.

Point F goes to all of these tough guys that talk a big game and make threats, and then you find out that they're in possession of a ####load of guns. At least the police can act on it before something happens.
This is pretty close to what we have here.

Even without this, if the cops went to this kids house and scared the crap out of him, told him that they're watching him at all times, then maybe this wouldn't have happened. I don't know, but just maybe.

Thoughts?

If I remember right and I probably don't, but constitutional amendments have to be ratified by a 2/3 super majority in the Senate and in Congress, or it can be done by a 2/3 approval of the all of the State legislatures. Its then sent to each state to ratify.

While Ammendments certainly happen, I doubt very much that anyone has the political stroke to not only get the Senate and Congress to approve in a super majority, let alone get all of the States to ratify it. And if gun crazy states like Florida and Texas for example say no, an amendment like the above would be dead on arrival.

Frankly while I do agree with what your saying, the above almost sounds like something that would be pushed down to a State level in any kind of Supreme Court challenge as the States would probably be the ones holding the bag on any kind of enforcement.

Just my 2 cents.