2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Nylander would be a great add to the 2nd line. Could take draws for Backlund much like Lindholm does for Monahan.

The question is price. They’d probably want Bennett in return as the base. Bennett would flourish on a line with Tavares or Kadri.

You are probably looking at Bennett, Andersson, and another piece.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Nylander would be a great add to the 2nd line. Could take draws for Backlund much like Lindholm does for Monahan.

The question is price. They’d probably want Bennett in return as the base. Bennett would flourish on a line with Tavares or Kadri.

I don’t think Nylander has the 2 way game to play on the Backlund-Tkachuk line.

Probably Lindholm and Nylander swap spots in the lineup

[Bourque's Twin]

Nylander is very skilled but I don't think he's the missing piece to the puzzle. The Flames are 2nd in the NHL in GF. I think goaltending is the glaring issue.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Nylander is very skilled but I don't think he's the missing piece to the puzzle. The Flames are 2nd in the NHL in GF. I think goaltending is the glaring issue.

Expecting Flames goaltending to consistently be at the level of Rittich’s performance yesterday is unrealistic. Saying that, I am comfortable with the current goaltending tandem.

The “ glaring issue(s)” is their team defensive play and decision making.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think Nylander has the 2 way game to play on the Backlund-Tkachuk line.

Probably Lindholm and Nylander swap spots in the lineup

I like Lindholm on the top like because Monahan and Gaudreau could use a two way beast like Lindholm. Nylander isn’t as good on D but he could be the offensive catalyst to drive that line. Tkachuk is already good on his own, but a proven 60 point winger on that line would do wonders

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by timbit

Expecting Flames goaltending to consistently be at the level of Rittich’s performance yesterday is unrealistic. Saying that, I am comfortable with the current goaltending tandem.

The “ glaring issue(s)” is their team defensive play and decision making.

When 3 of our top 6 D are 21 and under its not a big surprise we have some defensive miscues..

It's when longstanding vets like Brodie make them that is the real kick in the nuts.

Brodie and Stone have been the guys, since last season, that I'm not overly committed to in the long-term.

Having said that I don't think Stone has been bad from what I can see, even if he may not be as good as Brodie.

I don't think we are in a position to offload both of them anytime soon.. We could probably survive if we moved one but not both.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

When 3 of our top 6 D are 21 and under its not a big surprise we have some defensive miscues..

It's when longstanding vets like Brodie make them that is the real kick in the nuts.

Brodie and Stone have been the guys, since last season, that I'm not overly committed to in the long-term.

Having said that I don't think Stone has been bad from what I can see, even if he may not be as good as Brodie.

I don't think we are in a position to offload both of them anytime soon.. We could probably survive if we moved one but not both.

I stated TEAM defense as a glaring issue, not defensemen exclusively.

Team needs to be a lot better without the puck.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I hate Toronto and nothing would make me happier see them move Nylander for a Frolik and Bennett so I don't have to worry about them actually being competent and potentially winning. Sometimes you just need to be realistic though.

I would also extremely agree that Nylander is not near what Tarasenko is today. Neither was Tarasenko when he was Nylander's age and signing his contract though.

Tarasenko signed for 7.5M years ago. The equivalent contract ask would be 8.3M today based on the cap inflation. Tarasenko also had 135 points in 179 games when he signed that deal. Nylander currently has 135 points in 185 games today. Draisaitl signed with 137 points in 191 games at 8.5M. Hmmm.

If Tarasenko was an UFA today, he's getting 10M easily. So really his value has little bearing on Nylander, and really even though Tarasenko is a massive beast, he scored all of 5 more points than Nylander last year. Toronto's lucky that the Flames and Colorado were able to get the likes of Mackinnon, Gaudreau and Monahan signed to what they did. They have far more bearing on arguing that Nylander isn't worth 7M+.

Aside from the points, I don't think Nylander is worth what Draisaitl got. To begin with, giving Draisaitl that much money was an overpayment, so if he's looking for that money he's out to lunch. The Leafs aren't stupid giving out that type of contract, especially with Matthews and Marner needing to be signed this year. To think that Nylander is 1st line material right now is another stretch as he hasn't fully showed he can take a hit or play defensively. As a smaller player you need to at least be able to be resilient on getting bumped, or you gotta be a lights out shooter like Johnny. I like that he's pushing for what he thinks he's worth, but with what he's shown he's at best a $7M in my mind, and that's factoring in future value, so ultimately I think he gets dealt when this becomes a standstill as he has 2nd line written all over him for most teams. Plus the Leafs could use a d-man and so it's a recipe for a deal within a year unless they say they'll be top heavy on forwards for their future identity.


So I'll throw out OEL for Nylander + 2nd as a future wild guess as OEL is locked in long term at a reasonable hit.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Essentially a young legit starting goalie, for an up and coming bottom pairing Flames defencman and a goalie struggling in the AHL?
What was the rumoured cost to get MAF?

Hardly brutal for the Flames.

LOL. We don’t know how Saros would handle being a starter.

Meanwhile Valimaki looks like a surefire too 4 Dman and potential top pairing dman.

Valimaki is nearly untouchable, you massively underrate him if you think his upside is a bottom pairing dman. He ain’t going anywhere.

[Mattman]

I think Czarnik can be that #2 RW for us.

And that if you need/want to trade "Bennett, Andersson and another piece" I think it that should go to improving other parts of the roster *cough* goaltending *cough*

Our forward core is set right now IMO and personally I think we would handicap ourselves if we brought Nylander in long term, in the same way Toronto has with their salary stacked offense and the Oilers.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

LOL. We don’t know how Saros would handle being a starter.

Meanwhile Valimaki looks like a surefire too 4 Dman and potential top pairing dman.

Valimaki is nearly untouchable, you massively underrate him if you think his upside is a bottom pairing dman. He ain’t going anywhere.

Valimaki is ‘surefire’, but a goalie with 52 NHL games and 0.925 sv% is a mystery???

“LOL”

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

LOL. We don’t know how Saros would handle being a starter.

Meanwhile Valimaki looks like a surefire too 4 Dman and potential top pairing dman.

Valimaki is nearly untouchable, you massively underrate him if you think his upside is a bottom pairing dman. He ain’t going anywhere.

The only knock against Saros is his size and that he hasn't had a starters load in the NHL. But he is about as safe a gamble as you can make in acquiring a starter.

Valimaki is also a strong asset but given his lack of games he is a longer gamble then Saros. From a Flames perspective we are a lot deeper at D then in net and sending out one of our young guys for a young starting goalie makes a lot of sense.

Unfortunately Saros is probably not available. Rinne is 35. They have some other options, but there isn't a lot of reason to rush moving Saros, particularly after Rinne just got injured.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by timbit

Expecting Flames goaltending to consistently be at the level of Rittich’s performance yesterday is unrealistic. Saying that, I am comfortable with the current goaltending tandem.

The “ glaring issue(s)” is their team defensive play and decision making.

Until the Flames have an undisputed #, the most glaring issue is going to be goaltending.

Rittich has had some nice games. His game last night was the best of his career, IMO. But it was against the Rangers. And the Rangers are awful.

Rittich is 27. That's the age when lots of goalies figure it out. He's earned a shorter gap between starts, and a tougher quality of opposition. Ultimately, the ideal scenario is one where Rittich is able to establish himself as a top-15 starter, with the potential to do more.

The guy can play. He needs to do it consistently, and he's not going to get a better chance to show the world what he's got.

The defense is fine.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by fleury

Aside from the points, I don't think Nylander is worth what Draisaitl got. To begin with, giving Draisaitl that much money was an overpayment, so if he's looking for that money he's out to lunch.

Sure. I don't disagree.

Originally Posted by fleury

The Leafs aren't stupid giving out that type of contract, especially with Matthews and Marner needing to be signed this year.

That's the impasse. But it's a pretty unique situation to Toronto and Nylander. The fact that they have three other forwards that could be making huge money leaves him the odd man out. There's probably a lot of other teams that could have got him signed by now. But they are asking him to take a paycut, in his opinion, so they can fit in their other forwards and very possibly move him.

Originally Posted by fleury

To think that Nylander is 1st line material right now is another stretch as he hasn't fully showed he can take a hit or play defensively.

Tough crowd. Over the previous two seasons his 122 points put him 40th overall for all forwards. The exact same 122 points that Monahan, Forsberg and Rantanen had. 2 point shy of Ehlers 124.

Originally Posted by fleury

so ultimately I think he gets dealt when this becomes a standstill as he has 2nd line written all over him for most teams.

Sorry, can't disagree more. First off he's played just two seasons in the NHL and he's only turned 22. His point production already puts him first line on at least half the teams in the NHL. He might not develop into a bonafide first line center, but really his lower level is a bottom-tier first line winger. Which is nothing to scoff at, again 40th overall production over the previous 2 seasons.

Originally Posted by fleury

So I'll throw out OEL for Nylander + 2nd as a future wild guess as OEL is locked in long term at a reasonable hit.

Well, if Toronto could get that I'm sure they would jump all over it.

[Machiavelli]

Preds don't need Valimaki, they need Saros for the future. Goaltender is the most important position by far.

It doesn't matter if the Flames wouldn't give up Valimaki; Preds wouldn't make that trade anyway

[Moneyhands23]

Maybe its brodie for Kapanen. Leafs trade him as Nylander gets signed....

[H2SO4(aq)]

Is Schneider a possibility?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Is Schneider a possibility?

Nick Schneider for William Nylander? I don't think the Leafs will go for it, but it's worth a try.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Anyways, I'm guessing Nylander signs some type of bridge 3 or 4 year deal just under 5M, with a bonus structure the gives him a large bonus this year and some lockout protection. A bunch of people jump on those suggesting that Nylander was going to get 7M because they don't realize how important each additional year is worth.

And then Nylander gets traded in a year or two and eventually signs an 8x8 contract with his new team.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Until the Flames have an undisputed #, the most glaring issue is going to be goaltending.

Rittich has had some nice games. His game last night was the best of his career, IMO. But it was against the Rangers. And the Rangers are awful.

Rittich is 27. That's the age when lots of goalies figure it out. He's earned a shorter gap between starts, and a tougher quality of opposition. Ultimately, the ideal scenario is one where Rittich is able to establish himself as a top-15 starter, with the potential to do more.

The guy can play. He needs to do it consistently, and he's not going to get a better chance to show the world what he's got.

The defense is fine.

Rittich turned 26 in August.