The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[colbym72]

If the new coach looked at this forum 20 games into last season, I would understand why he doesnt want to come here

[Resolute 14]

If the new coach expects to be as unprepared 20 games into the season as Gulutzan was, then he shouldn't be here in the first place.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

keep up here.

we're all saying fire gulutzan.

the conversation now is who do you hire to replace him. If never-was', has-beens' and re-treads are off the table as option to replace GG, how do you get a coach with a record for success to come to Calgary.

What do you offer Mike Babcock that the Maple Leafs couldn't?

A sycophantic news media?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by colbym72

If the new coach looked at this forum 20 games into last season, I would understand why he doesnt want to come here

He'd be unprepared for legitimate criticism?

"Sorry I totally blew the Penske file....I just wasnt ready."

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by Locke

He'd be unprepared for legitimate criticism?

"Sorry I totally blew the Penske file....I just wasnt ready."

There were legitimate people on here wanting Gulutzan replaced last year before Christmas. That is not legitimate that is ridiculous

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

If the new coach expects to be as unprepared 20 games into the season as Gulutzan was, then he shouldn't be here in the first place.

Drop the mic

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There are only 31 NHL jobs, and the Flames have a pretty talented young roster. I don't see any issues convincing a top coach to come here.

Babcock is a disengenuous example. He was THEE most sought after coach in decades, and the wealthiest team in the league was ready to back up the Brink's truck to lure him to town.

Good for them. Now the other 30 teams can carry on business as usual.

babcock only makes 250k more than quenville. 1.25 more than julien. AV makes 4.25. Big Baby Boudreau makes 2.6. Hakstol makes 2.

So, while your response was quaint, do you want to put a wager on whether the flames go out and spend 3+ million on a coach this off season?

I don't think it's likely.

Can the Flames offer the same amount as a team like Detroit and walk away with the coach they want, or do they have to pay more?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by colbym72

There were legitimate people on here wanting Gulutzan replaced last year before Christmas. That is not legitimate that is ridiculous

Yes, that was ridiculous.

Do you think that doesn't happen in every market? (though I agree that it happens more in Canadian markets than in some of the southern US markets)

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by colbym72

There were legitimate people on here wanting Gulutzan replaced last year before Christmas. That is not legitimate that is ridiculous

There are some people that wanted him replaced before this season or not hired at all. That is not ridiculous that is called have good foresight

[Locke]

Originally Posted by colbym72

There were legitimate people on here wanting Gulutzan replaced last year before Christmas. That is not legitimate that is ridiculous

Sure. And I might even agree with you on that.

But here we are over a year later and have those people's concerns been addressed?

You can call their reactions knee-jerk or ridiculous or whatever you like, but its been months since then and have we seen any improvement?

Gulutzan seems like an incredibly intelligent guy, unfortunately it takes more than that to hack it at the NHL level.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

babcock only makes 250k more than quenville. 1.25 more than julien. AV makes 4.25. Big Baby Boudreau makes 2.625. Hakstol makes 2.

So, while your response was quaint, do you want to put a wager on whether the flames go out and spend 3+ million on a coach this off season?

I don't think it's likely.

Can the Flames offer the same amount as a team like Detroit and walk away with the coach they want, or do they have to pay more?

Do you honestly believe that every good coaching candidate out there would choose Detroit over Calgary?

Do you honestly believe that?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Do you honestly believe that every good coaching candidate out there would choose Detroit over Calgary?

Do you honestly believe that?

For the same dollars? Yes I do.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

babcock only makes 250k more than quenville. 1.25 more than julien. AV makes 4.25. Big Baby Boudreau makes 2.6. Hakstol makes 2.

So, while your response was quaint, do you want to put a wager on whether the flames go out and spend 3+ million on a coach this off season?

I don't think it's likely.

Can the Flames offer the same amount as a team like Detroit and walk away with the coach they want, or do they have to pay more?

You're probably right, and yet it's so crazy when you think about it. It must be a psychological block for our owners being non-player salary, as they'll spend to the cap no matter what it rises to.

"Hey owners, we could get an elite coach for $4-$5mil a year to get the most out of the $70million you guys spend annually on players". Absolutely not!!!

"Hey owners, the cap is going up by $5mil this season, we can spend to it as usual?" Absolutely, we're a cap spending team, we do what it takes to win!!!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

For the same dollars? Yes I do.

Why? You know it isnt 1998 anymore right?

[-TC-]

https://www.bardown.com/glen-gulutza...tice-1.1024768

the thing that sticks out for me is the fact that, at this point in the season, he's having to teach basics to this group.. the point he's making about being smart and knowing when to take risks is valid... in the first month of the season, not now with 13 games to go.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why? You know it isnt 1998 anymore right?

What are the reasons a coach with an established history of success choose to make 3-6 million US in Calgary Vs. Detroit?

What are the tangible benefits the Flames can offer that Detroit can't?

[Ryan Coke]

But is there any actual evidence that ownership cheaps out on coaches? I get why it’s speculated, but it is starting to be taken for truth, when it is nothing more than conjecture (I think).

Whether you like Burke or not, that is an example of ownership opening up the wallet for off ice positions.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What are the reasons a coach with an established history of success choose to make 3-6 million US in Calgary Vs. Detroit?

What are the tangible benefits the Flames can offer that Detroit can't?

A competitive team.

I mean, this literally isnt 1998 anymore. We have a Cap team that is in it to compete, the Red Wings....dont.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Locke

A competitive team.

I mean, this literally isnt 1998 anymore. We have a Cap team that is in it to compete, the Red Wings....dont.

Unless you have a "proven contender" team, why would you want to coach in a city where a supposed fan board of the team spends what feels like the majority of its posting output ####ting on your decisions since the day you were hired

The flames have a competitive team in a competitive conference 2 years removed from being so bad they drafted tkachuk, and there's like 4 threads on the front page about how management needs to run this guy out of town

Coaching in a traditional hockey market sounds great until you realize you have like 50k people who know hockey better than you clamouring for changes to things they imagined happened after 7 dome beers

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What are the reasons a coach with an established history of success choose to make 3-6 million US in Calgary Vs. Detroit?

What are the tangible benefits the Flames can offer that Detroit can't?

What are the tangible benefits the Wings can offer that the Flames can't?