2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Kipper_3434]

Sharongovich numbers are pretty comparable to Mangiapane's when he signed his current deal. Given that Mangiapane was an RFA they could have traded him that season for a pretty good return. Hindsight being what it is, they probably should have. I like Sharangovich, but if his ask is big, move him at the TDL when expiring players are most valuable. No way teams are throwing away top 15 picks at the draft without an extention in place.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

That’s not how it works.
Unless he can consistently repeat his 30 goal season, I’d take my chance with the 15th overall any time

Pick always have good value for its potential

Statistically most first round picks never pan out to their expectations. There is no reason Sharangovich can't repeatedly hit 30 with that shot.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think Conroy saw Sharangovich's best season this year.

I don’t think he did.

So…we’re even.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think Conroy saw Sharangovich's best season this year.

We all saw Sharangoviches best season...to date

[traptor]

Shanragivich was shooting over 17% last year. That's 5% higher then his career average.
He's almost certainly going to regress. Won't be supprised at all if he's 20-25 goals and 40-50 points.

If someone offered you a top 15 pick for this type of pending UFA it would be ridiculous not to take it.
It's a moot point though because no team would be stupid enough to do that.

[Rhett44]

I like Sharangovich but if we over pay for him, we will regret it. He has a great shot, but on a good team he is probably a borderline 2nd liner.

I don't know, he is a fine player but not a player I would build around and give a big contract to.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Statistically most first round picks never pan out to their expectations. There is no reason Sharangovich can't repeatedly hit 30 with that shot.

It really depends on what contract he is willing to sign for. That fact has to function in the decision to sign or trade him.

But I seriously doubt anyone would trade a top 15 pick in the 2024 draft for him. He would need a contract extension, and if Calgary finds his demands unreasonable, I expect other teams will as well.

I expect he’ll go to the wire at the deadline or close to it before we know if he signs or go. One thing Conroy has been consistent with is he signs you or trades you.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I like Sharangovich but if we over pay for him, we will regret it. He has a great shot, but on a good team he is probably a borderline 2nd liner.

I don't know, he is a fine player but not a player I would build around and give a big contract to.

Regret it how? We don’t exactly need cap space. And when do you not regret “over paying” someone?

I guess I don’t see a situation where he gets more than 4 years so I can’t see a scenario where we “regret it”

[Toonage]

I guess this could go here, but I heard Seravalli on the 960 morning show today (first time I had listened to that in forever, it hasn't improved but I digress) and they brought up the possibility of Calgary acquiring Necas but using their 9OA to do so. I guess this was on the heels of a LeBrun article on The Athletic which suggested the Flames were making calls to Carolina.

I no longer subscribe to that site, does anyone have the details?

[agulati]

I really hope that isn’t the direction they are taking with their 9th pick.

[Ashasx]

After trading the 9th overall pick for Necas, the Flames will continue to have no young stars on the roster.

[Toonage]

To be clear Frank wasn't suggesting this would happen, just that the morning show crew ran it past him. I wasn't sure if LeBrun had maybe suggested the #9 was in play.

Frank did say that it comes down to what the Flames see themselves as. Which goes back to the retooling/rebuilding/contending argument.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Sharangovich, Kuzmenko and Mangiapane:


I see them as players you either re-sign for fair deals on shorter-term contracts, or you trade.


All of them - including Mangiapane who I would argue is underrated now - are strong contributors in their own ways. None are core players. The most critical work that needs to be completed in the next 2-3 years is finding core players through the draft. The more bullets you have, the better chance you have of finding them.


This is not to say that you should sell everything and turn this into a scorched-earth build. I don't think that's a very great way to do things either. I don't see a great path in trying to turn around and compete in the next year or two, and I don't see a great path in taking it down to the studs, bulldozing it, and completely replacing the foundation either.


Just don't make moves to win now. This team is a bottom 5 team. Don't give long-term deals to anyone that isn't a core piece from now until at least you have those core pieces, unless they are very young (Zary/Coronato young) and are at least very strong support pieces. Sharangovich is on that line for me personally. If you can trade him for what amounts to be a great return (whatever that's identified as), then great - trade him. If you can re-sign him for a fair deal that keeps him around for the next 4 years or so, that's good too. If he wants a long-term deal that pays him an uncomfortable amount, you trade him to the highest bidder.


That's what I want the Flames to do. No 'win now' movies because there are really zero core pieces in place right now, and there is no real opportunity to win. Keep rebuilding. This is a rebuild. It is not a scorched-earth rebuild, but it is much bigger than a retool. Retooling is moving a couple of core pieces in and out - I would argue that Gaudreau leaving and the Tkachuk trade/Kadri re-signing was a massive retool. You see it in a season.



This is going to be a multi-season build. Keep building until you think you have enough core pieces and the team is rising in the standings. Not a fluke playoff run when everything came together because of a coach that road his horses to death. Just keep building and keep being patient. The entertainment level and appeal of the Flames will grow as the talent level builds. You can't put lipstick on a pig and expect repeat customers to come and kiss the beauty pageant winner.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by Toonage

To be clear Frank wasn't suggesting this would happen, just that the morning show crew ran it past him. I wasn't sure if LeBrun had maybe suggested the #9 was in play.

Frank did say that it comes down to what the Flames see themselves as. Which goes back to the retooling/rebuilding/contending argument.

Considering that source, I'd suggest there is a -95% chance of this happening.

[howard_the_duck]

I can't emphasize enough how poor of asset management moving the 9OA for a soon-to-be expensive RFA would be. In a cap world, it just doesn't make sense, let alone for where the Flames are in their competitive window.

So no, I can't imagine Conroy making that move, and I won't even concern myself with that being a direction they're even considering. Maybe it is Necas, but certainly cannot be talking about 9OA.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I can't emphasize enough how poor of asset management moving the 9OA for a soon-to-be expensive RFA would be. In a cap world, it just doesn't make sense, let alone for where the Flames are in their competitive window.

So no, I can't imagine Conroy making that move, and I won't even concern myself with that being a direction they're even considering. Maybe it is Necas, but certainly cannot be talking about 9OA.

This is ultimately why the Flames trying to re-tool and trading assets for "younger" players will just not work.

The only players they are going to get, at best, are players like Necas who have fallen out of favour with their current team (and they must also be questioning his potential), will no longer be on a cheap contract, and really aren't all that young anymore.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This is ultimately why the Flames trying to re-tool and trading assets for "younger" players will just not work.

The only players they are going to get, at best, are players like Necas who have fallen out of favour with their current team (and they must also be questioning his potential), will no longer be on a cheap contract, and really aren't all that young anymore.

It won’t work because of a move they haven’t made and will likely not make?

[Ashasx]

nvm

[CFO]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This is ultimately why the Flames trying to re-tool and trading assets for "younger" players will just not work.

The only players they are going to get, at best, are players like Necas who have fallen out of favour with their current team (and they must also be questioning his potential), will no longer be on a cheap contract, and really aren't all that young anymore.

So just like Sam bennett

[traptor]

Yeah teams just don't trade elite young players for B prospects, late draft picks and pending UFAs..

Well except the flames...