Breaking: Biden will not seek re-election

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

You believe bosses(owners) are mostly voting democrat?

I thought cliff’s argument was pretty disingenuous. Even if by bosses he only meant their direct supervisors/managers I’d say it’s still probably unlikely that the majority are voting democrat.

They're a more diverse group of people than you might think if you don't know any. If I had to guess, it's somewhere between 44-56% support for both sides. Not at all that different from everyone else. But that's a wild guess. It's fine to disagree and certainly a fair argument to have. The number of them who exist don't even matter, electorally. Campaign contributions are public knowledge.

Cliff linked an article that was a really good read in my opinion.

The "Donny Boy" Mar-a-Lago nonsense with horrendous punctuation and capitalization in the other individual's post was what I was referring to.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The thoughtlessness of this is remarkable.

You clearly didn’t read (sorry, understand) the linked article

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

You clearly didn’t read (sorry, understand) the linked article

They didn't post one.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees that when looking at the thread title.

But its more along the lines of a cooking show, Joe Biden wears an apron in a Winnebago in the desert trying to cook Meth but...

"Greetings viewers..."



Lets be honest, we'd all watch that show.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Locke

But its more along the lines of a cooking show, Joe Biden wears an apron in a Winnebago in the desert trying to cook Meth but...

"Greetings viewers..."



Lets be honest, we'd all watch that show.

I get this is a joke - but personally I'd find that too sad to watch. He isn't dumb, he just has dementia. And it wouldn't last long - the man can't operate stairs by himself - he'd be blown up 5 min into episode 1.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Excellent read.

These are the problems that face some people participating in this thread. I detect anger and resentment rather than a desire to understand and analyze what caused this.

We know how we got here. Decades of horrible people and capitalism creating news cycles of awfulness for dollars while buying off politicians who are meant to protect form this. Once they realized they could get away with making stuff up for endless money and lying to their audiences, we were all doomed. And they've even admitted all of this. It's no secret.

The author also mentions values. Well there's another problem. Religions imposing unalterable unquestionable values on society that have little basis on fact or reason, but are now fundamental parts of so many people's value systems that are in direct conflict with a free and fair society. People don't just change values, even when they are fundamentally evil, because they were formed as such a deep rooted part of their beliefs when they were so young that they could be imprinted. But no one wants to have these discussions, because how dare you question religion and values and discriminate against their beliefs.

I think the window is closing on any chance of stopping this, given how deep the US government and it's politicians are so deeply infused with religion, how it is one and the same to them, their government, their roles, their society all wrapped in god.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Then you'd expect to see a spike around 1996-2004 which doesn't exist. It's been a relatively steady shift.

Why are places with a plurality (in some cases, an actual majority) of Mormons like eastern Idaho, all of Utah, and northern Arizona immune to this propaganda? Might they have been reluctant to vote for Trump because of his moral misgivings? Maybe?

The brainwashing has already happened amongst the Mormons and Evangelicals. The majority clearly doesn't care that Trump is an immoral rapist as long as he continues to advance their interests by advancing Christian nationalism.

Romney is one of the few Mormons that has stood up to Trump.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I get this is a joke - but personally I'd find that too sad to watch. He isn't dumb, he just has dementia. And it wouldn't last long - the man can't operate stairs by himself - he'd be blown up 5 min into episode 1.

I'm sorry...I have nothing against him, but that just makes it funnier.

"Was that 5 parts to 1 or 1 part to 5? Welp. Here goes nuthin!"

*BOOM*

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We know how we got here. Decades of horrible people and capitalism creating news cycles of awfulness for dollars while buying off politicians who are meant to protect form this. Once they realized they could get away with making stuff up for endless money and lying to their audiences, we were all doomed. And they've even admitted all of this. It's no secret.

The author also mentions values. Well there's another problem. Religions imposing unalterable unquestionable values on society that have little basis on fact or reason, but are now fundamental parts of so many people's value systems that are in direct conflict with a free and fair society. People don't just change values, even when they are fundamentally evil, because they were formed as such a deep rooted part of their beliefs when they were so young that they could be imprinted. But no one wants to have these discussions, because how dare you question religion and values and discriminate against their beliefs.

I think the window is closing on any chance of stopping this, given how deep the US government and it's politicians are so deeply infused with religion, how it is one and the same to them, their government, their roles, their society all wrapped in god.

When do you think the ‘good times’ were in America? The 60s and 70s? Because Americans were even more religious then.

And just a reminder that the most religious demographic in the U.S is Black women.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

You believe bosses(owners) are mostly voting democrat?

I thought cliff’s argument was pretty disingenuous. Even if by bosses he only meant their direct supervisors/managers I’d say it’s still probably unlikely that the majority are voting democrat.

When you look at how strongly college education correlates to political affiliation today, I’d say it’s pretty likely that the people in head office vote Democrat. And wealthy Americans now favour the Democrats over the Republicans by fairly wide margins.

This realignment is disorienting to a lot of people. But consider the fact most voters on do not have a college education, it’s one parties of the centre-left need to get a handle on.

But you don’t have to look further than this forum to see champions of the left sneering at uneducated rubes. There’s a powerful class antagonism fuelling the culture wars and political partisanship.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There’s a powerful class antagonism fuelling the culture wars and political partisanship.

The best thing Republicans and the far right have done is trick the working class into thinking they are on the same team.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When do you think the ‘good times’ were in America? The 60s and 70s? Because Americans were even more religious then.

And just a reminder that the most religious demographic in the U.S is Black women.

Pretty much just the 90s. Increasingly looking like an anomaly.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When do you think the ‘good times’ were in America? The 60s and 70s? Because Americans were even more religious then.

The good times officially ended with Reagan and him being a stooge for trickle down economics.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

When do you think the ‘good times’ were in America? The 60s and 70s? Because Americans were even more religious then.

Probably roughly 2006 to 2013 or so, in terms of not having to constantly contend with religious or quasi-religious nonsense from anywhere on the political spectrum, as much as before or since.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Probably roughly 2006 to 2013 or so, in terms of not having to constantly contend with religious or quasi-religious nonsense from anywhere on the political spectrum, as much as before or since.

Thank God the NFL took over Sundays from the church!

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

But you don’t have to look further than this forum to see champions of the left sneering at uneducated rubes. There’s a powerful class antagonism fuelling the culture wars and political partisanship.

I mean if you believe that climate change isn't real but stop the steal is, don't you deserve to be sneered at?

If you think Donald Trump is a successful businessman, and that his well appointed boardroom on the Apprentice wasn't a set... perhaps it's more subtle.

And some of them are otherwise smart but think Jesus is legit going to come down soon.

I'm sorry so many have been brainwashed to watch and believe Fox News. They used some pretty ingenious techniques to do it - outrage attracts eyes, and positive reinforcement makes you "part of the team". It sort of isn't even their fault.

But there's a reason college educated voters don't go MAGA.

And if you're a rube damaging the country by how you vote due to how ignorant you are... yeah, there's a real problem there, and yeah, I'm looking down on you.

You don't "fix" those people btw. You just need to financially damage the mechanisms the GOP uses to indoctrinate them.

The Dominion lawsuit against Fox being the PERFECT example of how to do it.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I think the underlying point is that people are much more susceptible to being indoctrinated in that way when they have no hope of things improving and the people they view as having power dismiss or ignore the things that are making their lives more difficult while treating concerns that have nothing to do with them as the urgent, "real problems" of society... the dominion lawsuit didn't do anything at all to slow the rate at which lunacy has taken hold and entrenched itself among the political right. Even if Fox went off the air tomorrow they'd just go find their crazy somewhere else. Hell, many already do, because they've gone so far down the crazy garden path that Fox is too moderate for them.

There's no easy fix for any of this at this point, obviously.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I think the underlying point is that people are much more susceptible to being indoctrinated in that way when they have no hope of things improving and the people they view as having power dismiss or ignore the things that are making their lives more difficult... the dominion lawsuit didn't do anything at all to slow the rate at which lunacy has taken hold and entrenched itself among the political right. Even if Fox went off the air tomorrow they'd just go find their crazy somewhere else. Hell, many already do, because they've gone so far down the crazy garden path that Fox is too moderate for them.

There's no easy fix for any of this at this point, obviously.

I would disagree in that prior to Dominion Fox could outright lie on the air, and had access to the whole country as a major network.

They had to fire Tucker Carlson, and lost hundreds of millions of dollars as a result. They will continue to frame lies as "opinion", but there are now network imposed limits.

Those MAGAs who dropped Fox now watch networks with much less reach.

Hitting the bottom line works.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The good times officially ended with Reagan and him being a stooge for trickle down economics.

The 70s weren’t great for the average person. Look at how much anger we’ve seen over three years of 4-8 per cent inflation. Now consider living through 12 years of 5-14 per cent inflation, combined with double-digit unemployment rates. Not hard to see why people lost faith in the economic status quo.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

I would disagree in that prior to Dominion Fox could outright lie on the air, and had access to the whole country as a major network.

They had to fire Tucker Carlson, and lost hundreds of millions of dollars as a result. They will continue to frame lies as "opinion", but there are now network imposed limits.

Those MAGAs who dropped Fox now watch networks with much less reach.

Hitting the bottom line works.

Right, and that was a good decision and the right people took it straight in the teeth and we can all enjoy that, particularly when it comes to Tucker Carlson... so lots of good schadenfreude there. Has this somehow mitigated the trend among the right of jumping like lemmings off the cliffs of insanity? I would suggest that if anything it's gotten even worse since then in terms of what people are willing to believe and publicly adopt as their political position. I mean, 2020 "the election was stolen" Trumpers were crazy, but they've found another level entirely since.