The Wideman effect wasn't real at all another made up myth by Flames fans, although a small vocal group and a situation that would have been made by any fan base as well.
Wait, are you actually serious? I hate conspiracy anything, but the stats show that it was 100% a thing. C'mon, man. Were you not following when it happened?
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Oh definitely, it was confirmed this summer. He's literally the only returnee that hasn't admitted, even after mods let literally every returnee back. It's weird.
Wait, are you actually serious? I hate conspiracy anything, but the stats show that it was 100% a thing. C'mon, man. Were you not following when it happened?
I was 100% following when it happened.
Do I think that the refs and/or league got together and agreed to screw the Flames? Hell no 100% not. That is mainly what the context of this discussion was that the league had a bias against the Flames.
Maybe I am too forgiving to people in general but I have a hard time believing that a large group of refs all decided to not only go against their professional requirements as a refs but also become pretty ####ty people and target a team when really nothing had been done to them.
Do I think that a small number of refs may have been angry? Sure individually it is much more likely for something like that to happen. Do I think for some it might not have really been a purposeful choice that they were making and still had a few harsher calls? Again sure. But a league wide agreed upon targeting of the Flames and nothing comes out about it? No sorry I don't believe it.
I also think that for fans there will always be enough 50/50 calls that if you have an incident like Wideman you can attribute those calls to that, rather than the reality that refs are inconsistent.
If I remember correctly the stats were pretty small it wasn't like the team went from no calls to 10 a game, the increase was small enough to easily fit in the inconsistency range not a league wide conspiracy.
Have you ever even seen a ref ref???? They get offended by the pettiest #### constantly. And act on it. Constantly. At all levels and ages. They don’t just shake it when they join the NHL.
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Have you ever even seen a ref ref???? They get offended by the pettiest #### constantly. And act on it. Constantly. At all levels and ages. They don’t just shake it when they join the NHL.
Yes which is why I wrote:
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Do I think that a small number of refs may have been angry? Sure individually it is much more likely for something like that to happen. Do I think for some it might not have really been a purposeful choice that they were making and still had a few harsher calls? Again sure. But a league wide agreed upon targeting of the Flames and nothing comes out about it? No sorry I don't believe it.
It doesn’t need to be a league wide agreed upon signed document in order to be something that was happening.
I haven’t seen anyone claim they had a sit down meeting and agreed upon it. They didn’t need to. He got one of “them” and the team defended him. The bias is built into their whole profession.
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If I recall correctly, there was quite a bit of animosity between Wideman, the Flames organization, the league, and the NHLOA. Some of Wideman's texts leaked in the investigation and things went sour.
Whether the NHLOA collectively decided to target the Flames is debatable, but there was a significant change in how Flames games were officiated. I'm sure the situation was forefront in the minds of officials and it really isn't out of the realm of possibility that they would act like a sort of brotherhood in the face of one of their own forced into retirement.
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Not sure what that tap to the ankle has to do with Andersson getting suspended, but it led to this video... which is way more awesome.
In a million years, I'll never understand how we didn't do everything we could to build this team around Bennett and Tkachuk. Instead of, you know, burying one of them in the bottom six and telling the other one to completely change the way he plays.
completely agree with you. I miss Bennett and Tkachuk.
Sam Bennett got a million opportunities to prove himself on this team and he failed to deliver time and time again.
He has 104 points in 144 games in Florida. Good, but not anywhere close to elite. He is what he is. Even the playoffs in Florida, he has 23 points in 35 games - good to very good, but not world-beating.
From reviewing the videos, at least to me, the Vesey hit looked an order of magnitude more dangerous than the Andersson hit, because Ruzicka was hit squarely from behind in an area of the ice from which a high-speed collision of his head with the relatively immovable boards was highly likely to occur, and highly likely to produce a coup-contracoup brain injury. An official was standing right there looking at it, and in spite of that, there was not even a minor penalty call, and no discussion of a suspension. Looking at this together with how Tkachuk was treated for minor offences as a Flame (and no, acting like an ass is not suspendable, unless your personal actions damage the reputation of the league) vs. more dangerous plays as a Panther, it seems to me that other teams are not held to the same standard as the Flames when it comes to the DOPS.
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The Wideman effect wasn't real at all another made up myth by Flames fans, although a small vocal group and a situation that would have been made by any fan base as well.
Burke and company presented evidence to the league about this being a real thing. He talks about it in his book. It is not at all just made up by the fans.
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Do I think that the refs and/or league got together and agreed to screw the Flames? Hell no 100% not. That is mainly what the context of this discussion was that the league had a bias against the Flames.
Maybe I am too forgiving to people in general but I have a hard time believing that a large group of refs all decided to not only go against their professional requirements as a refs but also become pretty ####ty people and target a team when really nothing had been done to them.
Do I think that a small number of refs may have been angry? Sure individually it is much more likely for something like that to happen. Do I think for some it might not have really been a purposeful choice that they were making and still had a few harsher calls? Again sure. But a league wide agreed upon targeting of the Flames and nothing comes out about it? No sorry I don't believe it.
I also think that for fans there will always be enough 50/50 calls that if you have an incident like Wideman you can attribute those calls to that, rather than the reality that refs are inconsistent.
If I remember correctly the stats were pretty small it wasn't like the team went from no calls to 10 a game, the increase was small enough to easily fit in the inconsistency range not a league wide conspiracy.
They went from the least penalized team in the league to the most penalized team in the league in less than a month. Explain that!!
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Burke and company presented evidence to the league about this being a real thing. He talks about it in his book. It is not at all just made up by the fans.
Burke who is a lawyer and has worked for the league thought it was true...but no, it's a CP conspiracy theory
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It's gonna be the same thing that always happens. Zero media outcry, not even a review from the NHL. A tumbleweed will roll by somewhere and it'll be like no one even hit anyone.
SNET after the CBJ game ended, "Forget goal highlights, all I wanna talk about is that Andersson hit.... in fact, we already have a panel ready to go on this, and we're going to them now"
SNET today after the period ended, "K, well that period is over... here are some Oilers highlights!"
Man, did I call it or what? Not a single word anywhere from anyone about the hit, and not even the slightest hint of a of a review from the League.
No penalty... nothing but tumbleweeds and a breeze.
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Didn't really mean to wade into this argument, just kind of tired of the victim card being played all over again.
"worked for the league" was the important part. Burke is very respected in hockey circles not some dude in his underwear in his moms basement as its being presented here. He 100% thinks the league took the Wideman incident out on the team as a whole.
Keep pretending the Flames don't get the small market shaft from time to time though I guess.
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"worked for the league" was the important part. Burke is very respected in hockey circles not some dude in his underwear in his moms basement as its being presented here. He 100% thinks the league took the Wideman incident out on the team as a whole.
Keep pretending the Flames don't get the small market shaft from time to time though I guess.
He was working for the Flames arguing on behalf of the Flames. “Dude in his underwear”?
Funny how Flames get the shaft and the Oilers get all the gifts. League really looking to grow the game in northern Alberta I guess.
Playing the victim card is just a huge pet peeve of mine. It rarely works out well for people who do it.
Oilers won some lotteries and nearly the entire Canadian media are fanboys from the 80s. Like the Canadian media took Kassian's side over Tkachuk and talked like they were equals. And yes things like this do matter...not a lot of backlash over a Flames player being injured by a dirty hit, why bother taking a look.
Burke still believes there was a bias and no longer works for the Flames if you hadn't noticed. I was pushing back at it being a made up thing by the Fans.
Its a game run by humans, bias exists
If you don't believe it fine, you and spurs can go high five somewhere...many of us see too much evidence to be convinced otherwise
Leagues have their favourites
Colemans ridiculous no goal was the moment I cut NHL spending out of my budget
NHL was already hyping up McDavid vs. Mackinnon, anything even borderline was going the Oiler way but they were pushing it on that one.
