[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I only keep Tanev because a) he would be cheaper on $’s and term to re-sign and b) Hanifin would give us a better return.

Tanev is going to break down soon. He’d be the first guy I traded.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Tanev is going to break down soon. He’d be the first guy I traded.

Perfect Trade deadline pick up if err he's healthy ?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Perfect Trade deadline pick up if err he's healthy ?

That’s the gamble with him. I think he is a guy that a GM would overpay for but I don’t know if he’d make it to the deadline. They’d have to shut him down well in advance

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Perfect Trade deadline pick up if err he's healthy ?

I think his value is better at the deadline but there is that health risk. Also, what happens if the team is in a playoff spot, then he becomes a rental for us basically. I would rather deal him at the draft if possible.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Tanev is going to break down soon. He’d be the first guy I traded.

Won’t GMs be thinking the same thing?

[Bingo]

If Lindholm isn't staying and say one other UFA (lets say Toffoli for arguments sake), and they're traded for futures.

Does that make the Flames likely to miss the playoffs so you can carry the other 4-5 into the deadline and make out like bandits?

That's the issue.

Running them back with expiring contracts could be a huge turning point for the franchise, but if they're good enough to be a bubble team they may end up walking them to free agency.

Have to think Lindholm is the key in all of this (obvious I know)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Won’t GMs be thinking the same thing?

Trade deadline rentals (and that's what Tanev would be) carry less injury risk because teams are only worried about a few months, and not continuing years.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If Lindholm isn't staying and say one other UFA (lets say Toffoli for arguments sake), and they're traded for futures.

Does that make the Flames likely to miss the playoffs so you can carry the other 4-5 into the deadline and make out like bandits?

That's the issue.

Running them back with expiring contracts could be a huge turning point for the franchise, but if they're good enough to be a bubble team they may end up walking them to free agency.

Have to think Lindholm is the key in all of this (obvious I know)

GM and Ownership could commit to the decision now that UFAs without extensions by the TDL get traded no matter where we are in the standings.

UFAs that don't want to negotiate in season get traded.

[CliffFletcher]

Given his age, cap hit, and injury history, I doubt Tanev gets you more than a late 2nd. He’d almost certainly get more at the deadline if he’s healthy.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Given his age, cap hit, and injury history, I doubt Tanev gets you more than a late 2nd. He’d almost certainly get more at the deadline if he’s healthy.

I agree. If he's healthy and productive at the deadline, he might even fetch a first.

Ownership just needs to commit to sending him out at the deadline even if Calgary is competing for a playoff spot.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

GM and Ownership could commit to the decision now that UFAs without extensions by the TDL get traded no matter where we are in the standings.

UFAs that don't want to negotiate in season get traded.

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I agree. If he's healthy and productive at the deadline, he might even fetch a first.

Ownership just needs to commit to sending him out at the deadline even if Calgary is competing for a playoff spot.

I just don't see that as likely though.

You make your call this summer and the players you need to move. Then it's up to the team to see if you move those assets. Can't see them moving Tanev if they're in a playoff spot.

If Lindholm is out ... I feel safer that they won't be in the mix even if they're forced to pretend they are.

[BigFlameDog]

I say don't trade the young D who could play at a 2/3/4 level for the next 10 years to get younger. Maybe I'm crazy

If Hanifin wants to stay you lock that guy down. Any other talk is silly. The guy is so undervalued by some of you.

[868904]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I agree. If he's healthy and productive at the deadline, he might even fetch a first.

Ownership just needs to commit to sending him out at the deadline even if Calgary is competing for a playoff spot.

He’s never healthy in-season. Take the 2nd at the start of the season and be done with it.

For years the Canucks thought they’d trade him at the deadline for a haul and every year he was too injured to trade.

Be a student of history and you won’t make the same mistakes others have.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

I say don't trade the young D who could play at a 2/3/4 level for the next 10 years to get younger. Maybe I'm crazy

If Hanifin wants to stay you lock that guy down. Any other talk is silly. The guy is so undervalued by some of you.

I agree. I think keeping Hanifin and anyone who wants to be here is important. Hanifin has huge value league wide.

Still only 25, and 8 year deal keeps him at the end in Pietrangelo veteran territory.

[traptor]

Tanev with retention could snag a 1st at the deadline.

I think a team like Buffalo would give you a 2nd for him this summer though

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Won’t GMs be thinking the same thing?

That’s why he probably goes for less at the draft than the deadline. I’d still do it though

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Tanev is going to break down soon. He’d be the first guy I traded.

100%

He's been a great Flame. But he was also found money IMO.

I will eat crow on that signing because I thought it would age terribly, and honestly I think he's been more of a positive impact than even the people that supported the signing could have imagined.

But don't double down on it now.

He turns 34 in December, has had injury issues most of his career (even if he's been mostly able to play through it in Calgary), and I think is going to struggle to stay in the lineup if you extend him.

Sell on him now while you can and in a way it's a free asset. He's a guy you added for free as a UFA, he gave you three good seasons, and he has enough value still to probably get at least a 2nd round pick and potentially a prospect for him...maybe even a late first (Toronto at 28...). That rarely happens with UFAs signed at 30.

You need to pull that trigger and take advantage of that.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

100%

He's been a great Flame. But he was also found money IMO.

I will eat crow on that signing because I thought it would age terribly, and honestly I think he's been more of a positive impact than even the people that supported the signing could have imagined.

But don't double down on it now.

He turns 34 in December, has had injury issues most of his career (even if he's been mostly able to play through it in Calgary), and I think is going to struggle to stay in the lineup if you extend him.

Sell on him now while you can and in a way it's a free asset. He's a guy you added for free as a UFA, he gave you three good seasons, and he has enough value still to probably get at least a 2nd round pick and potentially a prospect for him...maybe even a late first (Toronto at 28...). That rarely happens with UFAs signed at 30.

You need to pull that trigger and take advantage of that.

Tanev, and perhaps Toffoli, are two guys I wouldn’t mind going into the season with. I think Tanev at retained salary at the TLD, provided he’s healthy, gets you more then than he does in the offseason. It’s a risk, but that’s one I’d be willing to take.

Both Tanev and Toffoli are rental type transactions, I think, opposed to Lindolm and Hanifin which are guys that likely go to a new team with an understanding theirs an extension coming along with them. Lindholm and Hanifin are offseason moves.

[SuperMatt18]

That's fair too.

But I think a late first in 2024 might actually be less valuable than say a mid 2nd this year. This is a good draft.

In the end it all comes down to return. I'd be comfortable waiting until the deadline for Tanev, but if a good offer came in now I'd take it.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Feasibly Hanifin, Lindholm and Tanev could each snag you 1sts. Tanev being the only exception for timing, as you'd probably have to captialize on the desperation of teams at the TDL.

The path to an effective rebuild with good talent is there for the taking if they chose it, and they could get started as early as this draft.

I hope they can get verdicts from their key UFAs asap if they're not in favour of staying.

I'd be fully in support of a team that wanted to turn a new leaf with the roster under a guy like Huska, who can develop the next wave of kids.