Lebrun: Flames "getting late in the process" of hiring a GM

[iloveicedhockey]

But the job is a top job, of which there are only 32. GMs don't change very often.

[Spurs]

It is a good job for a retread that won't get a chance at a properly run team. They don't need to care that it is a disaster situation with no shot at having any success, they just need one last paycheck and a chance to be involved in the game for another 3-5 years.

For a young potential GM or a GM with options it is a terrible job. No flexibility to make needed changes, no buy in from ownership to make those changes if you could. It is a job that is a good way to ruin a young career and give a young guy a bad reputation.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Spurs

It is a good job for a retread that won't get a chance at a properly run team. They don't need to care that it is a disaster situation with no shot at having any success, they just need one last paycheck and a chance to be involved in the game for another 3-5 years.

For a young potential GM or a GM with options it is a terrible job. No flexibility to make needed changes, no buy in from ownership to make those changes if you could. It is a job that is a good way to ruin a young career and give a young guy a bad reputation.

Sure, but this is the NHL. Once you get in once, even if you do a terrible jobs, there are often teams willing to hire you again just because you held the job at some point.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Ped

Sure, but this is the NHL. Once you get in once, even if you do a terrible jobs, there are often teams willing to hire you again just because you held the job at some point.

I agree that we will have plenty of options because even a bad NHL job is still an NHL job, but I wouldn't be surprised if people like Dubas, Tlusky, Pridham etc. that have options or a bright future won't want to come here.

[btimbit]

Yeah that list of supposed finalists isn't awe inspiring. Nonis is a solid executive and gets a bit more crap than he deserves, but still do not want as the GM. As an older fella to be Assistant GM or Senior Advisor or something to help Conroy, I'd be on board.

I'm guessing all the 'young and progressive' candidates stated in their interview that they want full control and that was a non starter for ownership. (I'm basing that on nothing but my gut, mind you)

[powderjunkie]

The rumoured names should be a bit of a reality check for a lot of posters who were clamouring for their chance to drive Brad to the airport.

Originally Posted by btimbit

Yeah that list of supposed finalists isn't awe inspiring. Nonis is a solid executive and gets a bit more crap than he deserves, but still do not want as the GM. As an older fella to be Assistant GM or Senior Advisor or something to help Conroy, I'd be on board.

I'm guessing all the 'young and progressive' candidates stated in their interview that they want full control and that was a non starter for ownership. (I'm basing that on nothing but my gut, mind you)

That's a really good point, if Conroy does get picked there will be an AGM spot to fill, and maybe another to replace Maloney

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Bergevin? Barf! Nonis? Double Barf!! Bowman? Triple Barf!!!

My hopes are that these names are simply Maloney doing favors for some of his old buds trying to get their names back out there. If he's actually seriously considering any of these guys we are in some serious trouble.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

My hopes are that these names are simply Maloney doing favors for some of his old buds trying to get their names back out there. If he's actually seriously considering any of these guys we are in some serious trouble.

I somewhat agree but then that means that we are basically deciding between Conroy and Pascal and that is a terrible thought if true as well.

[442scotty]

Conroy and Love please.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I agree that we will have plenty of options because even a bad NHL job is still an NHL job, but I wouldn't be surprised if people like Dubas, Tlusky, Pridham etc. that have options or a bright future won't want to come here.

Sorry these guys are guaranteed better "brighter future" than a guy like Conroy? Just because their names have been paraded and promoted more through the eastern media or just because the grass in always greener on the other side?

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think part of what we need to recognize is that the Flames are unlikely to be an attractive destination for top candidates. So they are going to be choosing from further down the "proven list" or giving newer guys a chance.

[Flamesfan05]

No to Conroy

Need fresh directions

[bax]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

No to Conroy

Need fresh directions

Conroy could very much be a fresh direction. The reality is nobody on this board really knows what type of GM he would be

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by bax

Conroy could very much be a fresh direction. The reality is nobody on this board really knows what type of GM he would be

Maybe if you assume Treliving was doing everything on his own

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by browna

Sorry these guys are guaranteed better "brighter future" than a guy like Conroy? Just because their names have been paraded and promoted more through the eastern media or just because the grass in always greener on the other side?

Who said guaranteed?

I think they have more options that Conroy because they have been in similar roles for teams that have had more success. Not sure what anyone could point to that Conroy would have to be more appealing than they would. Both of them could point to having been at organizations that have had more success, and when talking about options like I was in my post then yes the Eastern media bias would come into play.

[Fan in Exile]

The best explanation I can come up with why Mark Hunter and Brad Pascall are finalists is that Burke and Sutter may be gone but the organization is still dazzled by size.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Maybe if you assume Treliving was doing everything on his own

Like any organization, BT probably had the final say and set the overall direction that his team then executed against. He likely took input from others, but it was his call.
It is far too simplistic to think that because Conroy was part of his management team that his direction will be the same.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think part of what we need to recognize is that the Flames are unlikely to be an attractive destination for top candidates. So they are going to be choosing from further down the "proven list" or giving newer guys a chance.

I'll disagree. So much doom and gloom around here. Yeah this year sucked becuase the team really should've made the playoffs on the ice. The off ice stuff has gotten magnified as a result and the media has whipped many I to believing that these are such dire times. I'll argue it was much worse when Treliving took over, by a mile.

A roster that should've made the playoffs, but below average goaltending, down years for some players, but even still, getting the league average in OT performance and they are in and would've given Vegas a run for the money in R1.

A roster mostly intact for next year. The chance to also work with and pick their coach. An ownership group who has spent to the cap the last decade. Hope of a new rink so that in 3 years or so, that GM won't have that restriction in attracting players.

Again, this is a better position than the one that Treliving had given the depth the teams reputation sank to under his predecessor.

Secondly, still trying to figure out what and who a top candidate is? Most of the names we've heard interviewing in Pittsburgh as the only other spot open, have some links here too. Fine, Dubas may not come here but he's likely not going anywhere this offseason. The AGM who specialized in cap management fom Toronto is better than our AGM?The analytics guy who used to be a scientist in Carolina is a higher pick then our AGM? These are so many factors of fit, I just don't see on the GM side, these standout options that the Flames will miss out on because we apparently have no hope.
Coaching, maybe I get that, but thats more for the group of players they have to deal with and experience, where it is much more vague and variable a fit as GM.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

The best explanation I can come up with why Mark Hunter and Brad Pascall are finalists is that Burke and Sutter may be gone but the organization is still dazzled by size.

What does Mark Hunter have to do with being dazzled by size? And really Pascall as well to be honest.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

The best explanation I can come up with why Mark Hunter and Brad Pascall are finalists is that Burke and Sutter may be gone but the organization is still dazzled by size.

What does this even mean?