What to do with Huberdeau?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I would like to see him traded. Don’t like the guy at all.

The Flames do not have enough picks and prospects to entice someone to take him

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I think people would be surprised at zadorov's trade value actually.

He's signed for one more year at $3.75M.

He's not bringing in much in a trade.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He's signed for one more year at $3.75M.

He's not bringing in much in a trade.

You can get a decent pick for him next TDL

Some fools may want a big guy for the playoffs

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yeah, Lindholm was a no show and it went downhill from there

It feels like someone bribes Sutter to keep Kadri Huberdeau together no matter what

No, it’s because Huberdeau and Lindholm have showed they haven’t worked as of yet. They had 2 separate stints together in parts of October, November, December and their results were not good as I displayed in one of my previous posts in another thread.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...92#post8634492

They basically played 12-13 games together and scored 4 goals combined as a line. Honestly, Tkachuk-Lindholm-Gaudreau scored 5 goals together in 1 game against the Oilers. Lindholm and Toffoli have actually shown to be much more productive away from Huberdeau.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

No, it’s because Huberdeau and Lindholm have showed they haven’t worked as of yet. They had 2 separate stints together in parts of October, November, December and their results were not good as I displayed in one of my previous posts in another thread.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...92#post8634492

They basically played 12-13 games together and scored 4 goals combined as a line. Honestly, Tkachuk-Lindholm-Gaudreau scored 5 goals together in 1 game against the Oilers. Lindholm and Toffoli have actually shown to be much more productive away from Huberdeau.

The thing is that I think Huby and Lindy can fit together, just not with Toffoli as the other winger. I think Huby - lindy - pelts would be great together as pelts is exactly what that line needs, he forces quite a bit of turnovers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

No, it’s because Huberdeau and Lindholm have showed they haven’t worked as of yet. They had 2 separate stints together in parts of October, November, December and their results were not good as I displayed in one of my previous posts in another thread.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...92#post8634492

They basically played 12-13 games together and scored 4 goals combined as a line. Honestly, Tkachuk-Lindholm-Gaudreau scored 5 goals together in 1 game against the Oilers. Lindholm and Toffoli have actually shown to be much more productive away from Huberdeau.

Dobber has Lindholm and Huberdeau together for 165 ES minutes. So the number of games is probably right, but look at that compared to Kadri.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...than-huberdeau


The bulk of their play together was at the start of the year. I don’t even recall any in December, though if there was, it was at the start. I think they’ve both gotten their legs as the season progressed. Huberdeau and Pelletier worked together fairly well and Lindholm is a lot like Pelletier - dogged, hard on the puck, able to get a shot off quickly. It’s worth a shot to see if things have changed.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Dobber has Lindholm and Huberdeau together for 165 ES minutes. So the number of games is probably right, but look at that compared to Kadri.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...than-huberdeau


The bulk of their play together was at the start of the year. I don’t even recall any in December, though if there was, it was at the start. I think they’ve both gotten their legs as the season progressed. Huberdeau and Pelletier worked together fairly well and Lindholm is a lot like Pelletier - dogged, hard on the puck, able to get a shot off quickly. It’s worth a shot to see if things have changed.

Yeah, in 319 minutes together Dube - Lindholm - Toffoli are a whoppoing +2 (22 GF, 20 GA).

In 165 together Huberdeau - Lindholm - Toffoli are even (4 GF, 4 GA).

The amount of production is certainly worth questioning...but ya know, the results on either side of it are "meh". Neither line was driving success at even strength.

The fact that Sutter has been so sticky with his lines despite their relative "meh" and general lack of team success is silly to me.

I'd trot out:

Pelletier - Kadri - Dube
Huberdeau - Lindholm - Toffoli
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Lewis - Ruzicka - Duehr

[Flames_Gimp]

you write this season off because of the massive shake up and halfway point next season make a fair evaluation and think about changes if needed imo.

[GullFoss]

I've mulled this over and my new opinion is that Huby is just a human like the rest of us.

New coach
New city
New contract
New wing
New teammates
New line mate
New leadership responsibilities
New coach

It's a lot of pressure and a lot of change. And now he's dealing with a lot of adversity. He just needs a reset.

A reset is mental and could be anything:
A new season
The playoffs
A new coach
New line mates
Playing on the other wing
Having a baby
Etc.

Things dont work until they do. You don't find success until you do. Sometimes things just take time.

[kyuss275]

Reading sutters comments about the change to left wing and I get the impression he never talks to the players. Sutters comment was it doesn’t really matter what wing he plays. Hubbys comment make it sure seem like he would like to be on his natural wing. Also not sure about the Sutter comment about needing to switch hubby to right wing because of peltier. He had moved him to right wing a month before that when he had lucic playing lw on that line. I’m hoping now that he has a better grasp of the system , that going back to natural lw will ignite hubby.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Reading sutters comments about the change to left wing and I get the impression he never talks to the players. Sutters comment was it doesn’t really matter what wing he plays. Hubbys comment make it sure seem like he would like to be on his natural wing. Also not sure about the Sutter comment about needing to switch hubby to right wing because of peltier. He had moved him to right wing a month before that when he had lucic playing lw on that line. I’m hoping now that he has a better grasp of the system , that going back to natural lw will ignite hubby.

His comments and lies just show how out of touch he is. Not sure how the owners can sit and listen to his garbage and watch his lazy coaching and continue to employ Sutter.

He got fired for not talking to his brother who he hired, and now he doesn't talk to his players.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Reading sutters comments about the change to left wing and I get the impression he never talks to the players. Sutters comment was it doesn’t really matter what wing he plays. Hubbys comment make it sure seem like he would like to be on his natural wing. Also not sure about the Sutter comment about needing to switch hubby to right wing because of peltier. He had moved him to right wing a month before that when he had lucic playing lw on that line. I’m hoping now that he has a better grasp of the system , that going back to natural lw will ignite hubby.

I think part of the idea of putting Huby on his off wing was to get Huby to shoot more tbh.

Could also move a RW shot to Hubys line (Lindholm or Foli), but I guess not.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think part of the idea of putting Huby on his off wing was to get Huby to shoot more tbh.

Could also move a RW shot to Hubys line (Lindholm or Foli), but I guess not.

It's still befuddling as hell. Huberdeau pots a LEAGUE RECORD amount of points at LW last year and the idea is to get him to shoot more so to your off wing you go!?

I don't need Huberdeau to shoot more. I need him to pick apples. He's literally the best at it.

[FlamesAddiction]

The only thing that can be done is to try and find players that can compliment him, and maybe try a coaching change. I think this is mostly on Huberdeau, but with 8 years and $84 million invested in him, Sutter might have to be sacrificed for this, which is unfortunate. Huberdeau has been given significant time with all of the top 6 so far, and nothing has worked. It's weird that he could be so productive with Bennett and Duclair, but he can't get it done with Lindholm, Toffoli, or Kadri, all of whom are equal or better line mates. I just don't see 100% effort from him on consistent basis and only he is the one who can change that.

If they could somehow trade him without having to add a sweetener or eat cap space, I'd do that. I doubt it will be possible at this point though.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's still befuddling as hell. Huberdeau pots a LEAGUE RECORD amount of points at LW last year and the idea is to get him to shoot more so to your off wing you go!?

I don't need Huberdeau to shoot more. I need him to pick apples. He's literally the best at it.

Yeah, it's not ideal. It also doesn't make a ton of sense because if Huby is an elite passer you actually want a left-hand shooter on the right side and a right-hand shot at center.

The ideal line is Huby-Lindholm-Dube or something

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's still befuddling as hell. Huberdeau pots a LEAGUE RECORD amount of points at LW last year and the idea is to get him to shoot more so to your off wing you go!?

I don't need Huberdeau to shoot more. I need him to pick apples. He's literally the best at it.

This team still needs him scoring more than 12 goals a season. When you're too predictable in passing teams can defend you pretty easily. So I disagree...on this team I want him shooting more. Gaudreau's two big seasons were when he had 245 and 262 shots on goal. I expect that if Huberdeau would shoot the puck in some of these spots he'd see more of those passing lanes come available.

[Stanley]

If anything I would ask what to do with Kadri? The guy goes on about “playing as a team” yet he’s constantly puck hogging and trying to beat guys 1-on-1.

As for Huby - you made the investment, you’re stuck with it. You find a way to get this guy a C that can play with him.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Stanley

If anything I would ask what to do with Kadri? The guy goes on about “playing as a team” yet he’s constantly puck hogging and trying to beat guys 1-on-1.

As for Huby - you made the investment, you’re stuck with it. You find a way to get this guy a C that can play with him.

Kadri is exactly what he is. A 50pt player, 60 if he has a good year

Blame the fool that paid for his outliner long term.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Stanley

If anything I would ask what to do with Kadri? The guy goes on about “playing as a team” yet he’s constantly puck hogging and trying to beat guys 1-on-1.

As for Huby - you made the investment, you’re stuck with it. You find a way to get this guy a C that can play with him.

I think the difference is with Kadri, effort isn't the issue. Most of the time, he is giving it his all. How he is applying that effort could be judged, but I don't doubt his commitment level. He is also producing to expectations. He is just paid at a UFA rate.

With Huberdeau, he gives you about 50% in a typical game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think the difference is with Kadri, effort isn't the issue. Most of the time, he is giving it his all. How he is applying that effort could be judged, but I don't doubt his commitment level. He is also producing to expectations. He is just paid at a UFA rate.

With Huberdeau, he gives you about 50% in a typical game.

Boy do I ever not see this. Huberdeau works harder than most forwards. He goes to the corners a lot.

Kadri skates hard and then something happens and he spends a generous amount of time picking himself up, grousing at the ref and yapping.