FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022

[Slava]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I'll bite. Players should just play.

Let's flip it. NHL players were going to go play in China if not for COVID. Not because of corruption or human rights, because of COVID.

The Olympics are also strict about uniforms and advertising. Hockey Canada cannot even use it's own logo. Should McDavid be wearing a rainbow C? Should Canada boycott?

Would McDavid be assessed 5 and a game if he had a rainbow C? Because that's what is actually bandied about.

[CroFlames]

Anyone watching NED-SEN? 0-0 in 75th I would guess Senegal is parking the bus?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

IMO the federations and the media are what need to keep the conversation.

The armband itself does nothing, but by even forcing these discussions and attention to Qatar that is what’s important.

As long the media keeps calling it out (think BBC has been vocal about it) then the sports washing won’t work.

TBH the Canadian media has been poor as has the federation, don’t think they’ve said much of anything about it.

Beeb aren't holding back.
Decided to decline showing the opening ceremony yesterday in favour of a program highlighting the issues.

Then, today.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1594669326900277248


And gotta laugh at the silly statement that 8/32 countries pandered to the money when they were the only ones that were prepared to take some sort of stand on the issue.

They retracted knowing that at the very least they were all going to be playing their third game without their captain with a risk of red card given they were starting their games on a new yellow. Fair play is and all that.

At least they've kept the issue at the forefront and that FIFA is being bought by Qatar.

It's the other 24/32 that pandered through their silence.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Slava

Would McDavid be assessed 5 and a game if he had a rainbow C? Because that's what is actually bandied about.

maybe, it never came up but these orgs make up rules out of their asses.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Anyone watching NED-SEN? 0-0 in 75th I would guess Senegal is parking the bus?

No, Senegal not parking the bus at all.

Game has been pretty even until that late goal.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah Senegal probably deserve a draw here, would have been fun to see this match with a healthy Sane.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I'll bite. Players should just play.

Let's flip it. NHL players were going to go play in China if not for COVID. Not because of corruption or human rights, because of COVID.

The Olympics are also strict about uniforms and advertising. Hockey Canada cannot even use it's own logo. Should McDavid be wearing a rainbow C? Should Canada boycott?

What do you mean, “I’ll bite”?

That’s a pretty ####ty attitude to take. People disgusted by the sports washing going on here, aren’t trolls.

[chemgear]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1594654468330627072

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

What do you mean, “I’ll bite”?

That’s a pretty ####ty attitude to take. People disgusted by the sports washing going on here, aren’t trolls.

nik is definitely not a troll but he's accusing people of something quite serious

It's not sports washing, we've known this world cup is going to be in Qatar for 9 years and nobody did anything. Canada could have not started qualifying way back when they had to play Aruba. What's another missed World Cup? We haven't been to one in forever, what's another one? But Canada loves this stuff, they want to host IOC and FIFA events.

Again, the only solution is to leave FIFA. Otherwise, you have to follow the rules of the event and the hosts, period.

It's going to be a failure for FIFA. You can already see half-empty stadiums for games not involving Qatar so far.

[CroFlames]

I imagine Croatia-Morocco at the big stadium Al Bayt won't draw tons of neutrals, and even if there is a large contingent of traveling fans, they ain't going to fill up 65,000+.

[Barnet Flame]

If you don’t think this is sportswashing, you don’t know what it means.

And, yes, I’d happily see federations leave Fifa. In fact, I’d advocate for it.

Fifa have driven me right out of any interest in international football. And not just for this tournament. I want the whole thing burned down to the ground.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Again, the only solution is to leave FIFA. Otherwise, you have to follow the rules of the event and the hosts, period

I disagree. FIFA has as much power as the fans and organizations give them. They are money chasing slime balls who would instantly become human rights advocates if that is how they thought the most money could be made.

Suspending all the captains would have a huge negative impact on their image and their product, and would put their ability to make money at risk.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

nik is definitely not a troll but he's accusing people of something quite serious

Am I? Please, elaborate.

[SuperMatt18]

Which honestly should be the focus - on the federations and for FIFA for allowing Qatar to host this World Cup.

Had Brazil, France, Germany, England, etc stood up at any point in the last 9 years and said “We’re boycotting the tournament if it’s held in Qatar” then it wouldn’t have been held there.

I hate now when the players get blamed for not taking enough action now…because really they are doing what they can and don’t hold that much power here.

And honestly the same discussions should be had right now about Saudi Arabia and 2030…let’s see if FIFA and the federations allow history to repeat itself.

The key is making enough noise so FIFA doesn’t do it again in 8 years time.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by nik-

Am I? Please, elaborate.

Supporting FIFA, nobody supports FIFA

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I disagree. FIFA has as much power as the fans and organizations give them. They are money chasing slime balls who would instantly become human rights advocates if that is how they thought the most money could be made.

Suspending all the captains would have a huge negative impact on their image and their product, and would put their ability to make money at risk.

It's too late. The play was 9 years ago.

Leagues can't even stand up to FIFA and have to interrupt their season for this farce.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I disagree. FIFA has as much power as the fans and organizations give them. They are money chasing slime balls who would instantly become human rights advocates if that is how they thought the most money could be made.

Suspending all the captains would have a huge negative impact on their image and their product, and would put their ability to make money at risk.

How do we NOT give them power?

This WC is the worst one in my living memory - matches at 3am and in the middle of the winter... yet I still can't help myself and I watch all the matches I can. I'm taking days off to watch Croatia and Canada matches.

I realize I'm part of the problem, but I love football. And so do billions.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

How do we NOT give them power?

This WC is the worst one in my living memory - matches at 3am and in the middle of the winter... yet I still can't help myself and I watch all the matches I can. I'm taking days off to watch Croatia and Canada matches.

I realize I'm part of the problem, but I love football. And so do billions.

That's the problem. The product is so fantastic that FIFA could kill children and we'd say, "well, how many children?". It's like watching NFL and domestic abuse.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

How do we NOT give them power?

This WC is the worst one in my living memory - matches at 3am and in the middle of the winter... yet I still can't help myself and I watch all the matches I can. I'm taking days off to watch Croatia and Canada matches.

I realize I'm part of the problem, but I love football. And so do billions.

I don’t know all the answers to how to enact change, but I’m pretty sure the answer isn’t to shrug our shoulders and say it’s too late, FIFA wins. If we as fans showed greater support for the armbands then the organizations might have been more likely to follow through and wear them.

I’m watching games too, I’m not passing judgement on anyone for remaining interested. At the very least we should keep talking about this and show support anywhere we can.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

That's the problem. The product is so fantastic that FIFA could kill children and we'd say, "well, how many children?". It's like watching NFL and domestic abuse.

No, that's not the problem though. The problem is you have a situation where no one with actual power will do the right thing. The FA wouldn't back Kane wearing a rainbow armband today. None of the big countries and organizations will come out and make saves.

Don't blame fans who just want to watch games. Don't talk about meaningless countries like Canada not taking action. This lies with the big players who know exactly what's going on, and what action they could take that they simply are not.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Slava

No, that's not the problem though. The problem is you have a situation where no one with actual power will do the right thing. The FA wouldn't back Kane wearing a rainbow armband today. None of the big countries and organizations will come out and make saves.

Don't blame fans who just want to watch games. Don't talk about meaningless countries like Canada not taking action. This lies with the big players who know exactly what's going on, and what action they could take that they simply are not.

I agree, it all lies with Europe and it's leagues.

But now they've gone to World Cups in South Africa, Brazil, Russia and Qatar. And happily so. So to suddenly invoke action now seems hollow.

FIFA probably feels they've been blindsided. You want to do what? Now? You're going to get yellow carded.

Infantino is running for re-election unopposed again, third term. That tells you everything.