[PGT] Markstrom blew it. EDM 3 CGY 2

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And if it was as difficult as you are suggesting, they would be the best team in the league. They aren't. Yes, they beat us in the playoffs last year. Full stop. The Flames have been the better team in the 2 games this year, but with a bit of puck luck on their side, it's 1-1 with 6 goals scored each. Hardly the mountainous hurdle you've been making it out to be.

Matchups matter in sports. Just because team A is better against team B doesn’t mean that team A is better against the league. I think the Flames under Sutter play a solid disciplined brand of hockey that translates well to beating most of the teams in this league. But they clearly struggle to apply that same pressure or results against Edmonton. I think that is why most of us are passionately arguing in this thread two days after the game. We want to figure out ways that Calgary can improve this matchup. Obviously that really doesn’t matter since it’s not like we have a line to Sutter. I’m just getting a bit tired of the excuses for why we are losing and would you know rather just beat our rivals. I have a friend coming in from Edmonton tomorrow and am not looking forward to him teasing me about the last game.

[CalgaryFan1988]

The season series is 1-1 and by all metrics the Flames should have won Saturday. I think Edmonton got into more than just Markstrom's head.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CGY12

... You miss the rim, no big deal, but his reaction and panic to get back into net indicated to me that his behaviour was altered potentially due to the opponent.

Hahaha! What?


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[Inferno]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Agree to disagree, the soft goals/mental gaffes seem to be more prominent vs that team than any other.

I don't know about that. I think because it's the Oilers it just sticks out more to you.

You miss the rim, no big deal, but his reaction and panic to get back into net indicated to me that his behaviour was altered potentially due to the opponent.

I think you're reading too much into it. It doesn't matter what team you're playing. If you miss a dump in and see the puck going towards a player from the other team alone you're going to panic to get back to the net because nobody is there to help give you time to get back.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I have a friend coming in from Edmonton tomorrow and am not looking forward to him teasing me about the last game.

Well, you are certainly a prime target for teasing with your whining about the Oilers in this thread. #### those guys.

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Matchups matter in sports. Just because team A is better against team B doesn’t mean that team A is better against the league. I think the Flames under Sutter play a solid disciplined brand of hockey that translates well to beating most of the teams in this league. But they clearly struggle to apply that same pressure or results against Edmonton. I think that is why most of us are passionately arguing in this thread two days after the game. We want to figure out ways that Calgary can improve this matchup. Obviously that really doesn’t matter since it’s not like we have a line to Sutter. I’m just getting a bit tired of the excuses for why we are losing and would you know rather just beat our rivals. I have a friend coming in from Edmonton tomorrow and am not looking forward to him teasing me about the last game.

Now we've gotten to the crux of the matter. He can only get to you if you let him. Smile and say both games were good games. Your friend will look silly pretty quickly if you don't take the bait.

[activeStick]

I wonder if some people are projecting their own anxieties when watching the Oilers play their favorite team the Flames, on to the Flames players.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kasi

No team is going to lose all the games against an opponent. Heck Arizona as crappy as they are have beat some decent teams this year. Same for other bottom teams. But I see the Flames main rivals in this division as Vegas and Edmonton. If we want to get to say the conference finals we’re going to have to go through at least one of them. Vegas we’ve done better against lately at least when at home (our road record against them is abysmal) but 3/9 isn’t cutting it against a team with crap defence and a bad bottom six. I think Cecil’s post got to some of it. Either we need our stars to at least get close to their production or we have to play 60 minutes of disciplined hockey where we don’t let up.

3-9 lol

What the hell is wrong with you? This Flames team is 1-1 against this Oiler team. Probably unlucky to be 1-1

How far back do we want to go? Backlund is probably 20 games over .500 vs the Oilers in his career if we are going back to previous seasons

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I don't know about that. I think because it's the Oilers it just sticks out more to you.



I think you're reading too much into it. It doesn't matter what team you're playing. If you miss a dump in and see the puck going towards a player from the other team alone you're going to panic to get back to the net because nobody is there to help give you time to get back.

I definitely agree with that, but if you watch the replay, his reaction and panic led him to basically skate past his net and the puck went on short side on him but centre of the net. The freebies need to stop, its the most frustrating part of his game and his biggest issue.

Either way, I think at this point Markstrom is the biggest question when it comes to a deep playoff run.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CGY12

I definitely agree with that, but if you watch the replay, his reaction and panic led him to basically skate past his net and the puck went on short side on him but centre of the net. The freebies need to stop, its the most frustrating part of his game and his biggest issue.

Your continued characterisation of Markstrom's play on McLoser's goal as "panic" is positively bizarre.


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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Your continued characterisation of Markstrom's play on McLoser's goal as "panic" is positively bizarre.


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people see what they want to see

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by CGY12

The freebies need to stop, its the most frustrating part of his game and his biggest issue.

It hasn't been anything crazy this season to be concerned about yet. And last year the amount he let in was overblown. Really the only other freebie he gave up was the first Vegas goal. Not every other goal has been unstoppable but that doesn't make them weak either.

Every goalie is going to give up some freebies throughout the season. Even Kipper did (I still remember the centre ice floater against Vancouver). They're just easier to take when you have a multi-goal lead and win anyway.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It hasn't been anything crazy this season to be concerned about yet. And last year the amount he let in was overblown. Really the only other freebie he gave up was the first Vegas goal. Not every other goal has been unstoppable but that doesn't make them weak either.

Every goalie is going to give up some freebies throughout the season. Even Kipper did (I still remember the centre ice floater against Vancouver). They're just easier to take when you have a multi-goal lead and win anyway.

We have different opinions I guess, in terms of what you expect to be stopped vs. myself, no problem. I'm a fan of Markstrom, hopefully he has what it takes. The roster in front of him is pretty damn good, he can't be the weak link.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

This will undoubtedly be regarded as heresy and I hope I don’t get burned at the virtual stake, but maybe the Oiler defense isn’t as downright terrible as we’ve been saying. They allow a lot of perimeter shots, but maybe that’s on their forwards.

Thank you to the posters who have pointed out the flaws in my thinking - I plead momentary insanity probably brought on by watching too much Sportsnet.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by CGY12

We have different opinions I guess, in terms of what you expect to be stopped vs. myself, no problem. I'm a fan of Markstrom, hopefully he has what it takes. The roster in front of him is pretty damn good, he can't be the weak link.

A goalie can never be the weak link. And I don't think he has been. He's 4-1. Other than the Pittsburgh win he's been pretty average in his other wins but that had more to do with not needing to be spectacular because the team did a good job limiting chances.

He wasn't pulled against Buffalo because he was bad. He was pulled because the team had a pretty bad first and needed a spark. Unfortunately unlike the couple times he put Vladar in last season and they were able to come back it didn't work this time and they scored right away.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by dino7c

3-9 lol

What the hell is wrong with you? This Flames team is 1-1 against this Oiler team. Probably unlucky to be 1-1

How far back do we want to go? Backlund is probably 20 games over .500 vs the Oilers in his career if we are going back to previous seasons

I said 3/9 because I was responded to Textcritics post where he rightly said the flames have won 3 of the last 9 games against them. I didn’t say 3-9 which would be worse. With you the flames are always unlucky and the oilers lucky. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a flames loss without some excuse from you. I am tired of excuses I just want results. At the end of the day they’ve not gotten past the second round since 2004. Not good enough.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I said 3/9 because I was responded to Textcritics post where he rightly said the flames have won 3 of the last 9 games against them. I didn’t say 3-9 which would be worse. With you the flames are always unlucky and the oilers lucky. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a flames loss without some excuse from you. I am tired of excuses I just want results. At the end of the day they’ve not gotten past the second round since 2004. Not good enough.

5-2...you are being ridiculous is the problem
what team doesn't lose games? its seems like this is what you expect. Why 3 of 9 when its also 4 of 10, a bit cherry picked to cut out a Flames win and my main point is its a different team so totally irrelevant.

If the Flames actually get outplayed and beat I will say it...Buffalo outplayed them

Oilers got 3 fortunate goals...they did, its what happened. Play that exact game 10 times and the Flames win it 6 or 7 times IMO. That's hockey, the worst team in the league beats multiple contenders every season.

TWO losses this season...tied for best in the league and people have freaked out about both.

Tell your Oiler buddy to EAD, maybe get new friends lol. Not sure how much you can brag about being 1-1 against a team.

[Tsawwassen]

Postgame links
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...t-29-1.6634439
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/games/2465776/
https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401458717
https://stats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl/recap/145840

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Or you could say the way some talk in this thread the Flames must have beat the Oilers last year. Except they didn’t and Sutter and the team need to figure out what’s going on in this matchup. Even if it is mostly the Oilers doing their usual PP bull to make up for their weak 5-5 play the reality is they’re still going to get those PP calls. I don’t think the answer is as simple as bench Markstrom for Vladar or find the magic line combination. We can all say the blueprint is don’t get penalties (ha ha even if we don’t they’ll be invented) and play good sound defensive hockey and cave them in 5-5. (until mistakes happen or the Flames stop playing their game like they did last playoffs) But it’s clearly not that easy otherwise we’d have a better record against them.

Edit: totally agree you can’t sit back against this team. You don’t want to play prevent D against a team like a Colorado or Edmonton. You need to keep the puck in their zone as that is the best way of keeping the puck out of the net. Even if you don’t score forcing them to spend energy on defending will help a lot.

Luckily Sutter isn't going to over analyze a game like that.

He knows if they trotted out that exact same game against Edmonton 10 more time they'd win eight of them.

Bad bounce on the game tying goal, and really three fortunate goals overall. You don't change a system or a game plan with a result like that.

Move on.

[Kasi]

Wow you’re really confident for a matchup where the Flames have lost six of their last nine. I wish I could believe you but the results are the results. Yes the players have changed this year but same thing as usual in our stars don’t show up. Can’t really beat them consistently if only our third and fourth line get results. I’m not someone who’s panicking and saying never start Markstrom against them or do something crazy. But I just can’t buy in to the explanations bingo, text and others say because the results just haven’t lived up to it.