08-18-2022, 02:25 PM
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#361
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Toonage
Why wouldn't Calgary save the pick and LTIR Monahan then?
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Well I'm suggesting this a business move to clear out actual salary. They just signed off on a 50M contract with Kadri, getting rid of Monahan's 6M in actual salary was probably part of the way to stick with whatever internal budget the owners have given Treliving.
But even if he can go on LTIR, they aren't anticipating he'll be there for the entire season. Just saying there's nothing stopping the Canadiens from acquiring Monahan now and waiting until he is off the LTIR to make the room. Montreal doesn't need to do a trade today to become cap compliant if they did trade for Monahan.
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08-18-2022, 02:29 PM
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#362
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Why wouldn't Calgary save the pick and LTIR Monahan then?
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Because he'll likely be fit to play.
Monny has to sign off on his inability to play also.
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08-18-2022, 02:31 PM
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#363
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OptimalTates
Well I'm suggesting this a business move to clear out actual salary. They just signed off on a 50M contract with Kadri, getting rid of Monahan's 6M in actual salary was probably part of the way to stick with whatever internal budget the owners have given Treliving.
But even if he can go on LTIR, they aren't anticipating he'll be there for the entire season. Just saying there's nothing stopping the Canadiens from acquiring Monahan now and waiting until he is off the LTIR to make the room. Montreal doesn't need to do a trade today to become cap compliant if they did trade for Monahan.
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Gotcha
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08-18-2022, 02:36 PM
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#364
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OptimalTates
I'm sure of the minimum ten teams that Lucic would be available for, at least one of them would take Lucic + 2nd for future considerations. Almost certainly. And since it's not my money, I would very much rather do that than Monahan + 1st for future considerations.
But I bet the owners of the Flames signed off on Kadri's contract with the understand that Treleving would be able to reduce the salary expenditure by an agreeable amount, like say under 90M this year. Moving Lucic doesn't accomplish that. Monahan does.
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Why? He's still a hefty $5.25M cap hit. And for Calgary it's over $1M less of a cap dump. What if Lucic's teams are: Boston, TB, Colorado, Toronto, Florida, Edmonton, San Jose, LA, Vegas, Pittsburgh. None of those teams can afford him.
Edit: Plus, Monahan played 1/3 less games than Lucic, on an injured hip, and still outscored him. Then he got surgery and has a possibility of a rebound at age 27 (versus Lucic at 33). He's got a higher risk/reward ratio than Lucic, but the upside is a good goalscorer. It's not idiocy to think teams would roll the dice over Monahan versus Lucic.
Last edited by GioforPM; 08-18-2022 at 02:43 PM.
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08-18-2022, 02:40 PM
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#365
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Why? He's still a hefty $5.25M cap hit. And for Calgary it's over $1M less of a cap dump. What if Lucic's teams are: Boston, TB, Colorado, Toronto, Florida, Edmonton, San Jose, LA, Vegas, Pittsburgh. None of those teams can afford him.
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Vegas actually could based on what they do with their goaltending situation. They are already so over the cap that they don't need to get below it but because of LTIR with Lehner and Weber they have room to spare.
Lucic and a 2nd to Vegas would have probably been accepted.
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08-18-2022, 02:50 PM
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#366
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OptimalTates
Well I'm suggesting this a business move to clear out actual salary. They just signed off on a 50M contract with Kadri, getting rid of Monahan's 6M in actual salary was probably part of the way to stick with whatever internal budget the owners have given Treliving.
But even if he can go on LTIR, they aren't anticipating he'll be there for the entire season. Just saying there's nothing stopping the Canadiens from acquiring Monahan now and waiting until he is off the LTIR to make the room. Montreal doesn't need to do a trade today to become cap compliant if they did trade for Monahan.
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Internal budget of "spend to the cap". The owners aren't cheap when it comes to players salary, they can only spend so much.
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08-18-2022, 02:53 PM
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#367
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OptimalTates
Vegas actually could based on what they do with their goaltending situation. They are already so over the cap that they don't need to get below it but because of LTIR with Lehner and Weber they have room to spare.
Lucic and a 2nd to Vegas would have probably been accepted.
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I expect Vegas had no need for Lucic. Not any desire. His value is strictly to a team wanting to hit the cap floor.
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08-18-2022, 02:53 PM
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#368
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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friedman on 960 says he thinks the FLA 1st is involved.
heard the trade is complicated.
Flames are not getting any players back
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08-18-2022, 02:53 PM
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#369
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Franchise Player
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Ah sureloss.
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08-18-2022, 02:54 PM
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#370
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
friedman on 960 says he thinks the FLA 1st is involved.
heard the trade is complicated.
Flames are not getting any players back
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I guess they are going to make Monahan take French lessons and be fluent to start the season... complicated!
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08-18-2022, 02:56 PM
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#371
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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damn no players. I hope they atleast get a pick or something.
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08-18-2022, 02:56 PM
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#372
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
friedman on 960 says he thinks the FLA 1st is involved.
heard the trade is complicated.
Flames are not getting any players back
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He THINKS no roster type players are coming back
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08-18-2022, 02:56 PM
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#373
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
friedman on 960 says he thinks the FLA 1st is involved.
heard the trade is complicated.
Flames are not getting any players back
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Maybe the first has conditions depending how (either how well or how many games) Mony plays, but it also has conditions from Florida as far as being lottery protected? How does that all work?...
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08-18-2022, 02:57 PM
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#374
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
friedman on 960 says he thinks the FLA 1st is involved.
heard the trade is complicated.
Flames are not getting any players back
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I think he said no roster players so could be a prospect
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08-18-2022, 02:57 PM
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#375
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OptimalTates
Vegas actually could based on what they do with their goaltending situation. They are already so over the cap that they don't need to get below it but because of LTIR with Lehner and Weber they have room to spare.
Lucic and a 2nd to Vegas would have probably been accepted.
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Nah. You know why? Because if it was, that deal would have been done a while ago.
And yeah, they have Lehner on LTIR. They also have no goalie yet. Not even a backup. They can't afford Lucic.
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08-18-2022, 02:57 PM
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#376
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
friedman on 960 says he thinks the FLA 1st is involved.
heard the trade is complicated.
Flames are not getting any players back
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He was not so strong on language,
he said he doesn't think there is any , Not nhl roster players anyway. (not verbatim)
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08-18-2022, 02:58 PM
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#377
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Mega Bummed we are moving on From Monahan. 2/3rds of his tenure were class and excellence. Damned injuries.
Kinda figured the FlA pick would move. Total currency asset.
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08-18-2022, 02:58 PM
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#378
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
I think he said no roster players so could be a prospect
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Totally guessing but I’ll say a 3rd or 4th round pick.
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08-18-2022, 02:59 PM
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#379
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Franchise Player
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Emil back?
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08-18-2022, 03:02 PM
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#380
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Airdrie
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
friedman on 960 says he thinks the FLA 1st is involved.
heard the trade is complicated.
Flames are not getting any players back
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Any picks coming back ?
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