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[CroFlames]

This is getting silly, and Buffalo's GM is a dummy. Whatever he gets for Eichel now, he could have got more during the offseason.

Great job, dummy.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Josh Anderson.

Gross. I don't want anything to do with that contract.


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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

No, there is nothing factual about a rumor until we get confirmation the discussions actually took place. We don't now what is being discussed or if any discussions have gone down. It's all hearsay. That's kind of the point. Some media types suggested the Flames are hips deep in this Eichel thing, when they may or may not. An ex-player suggested the Blues were interested in Tkachuk and the package he heard was the one listed. That was picked up by media types too. Both are rumors and remain unverified. We won't know until a deal goes down and someone is able to confirm if there was something on the table from the Flames, or what was on the table from the Flames. That is the whole thing about rumors. They are all innuendo and not based on facts.

What a pointless post.

I said a rumour is factual if a deal is being discussed. You just repeated the same thing back after earlier saying a deal has to come to fruition for a rumour to be factual. Which is it?

And I never said the Eichel stuff was a factual rumour, but Eichel doesn't have to end up in Calgary for it to be a fact that the two teams have been talking.

Plus I'd give some rumours more credit based on the frequency and the sources, two things that I believe we see in the Eichel discussions.

Add in the fact that Treliving is in on everything and it becomes less of a threshold to be a factual rumour.

Are you really suggesting the two teams aren't talking? Talk about a salmon and upstream.

[Samonadreau]

This Eichel thing is like groundhog day at this point. Eventually something will happen, but until then all these tweets and rumors are pretty much going in one ear and out the other.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Gross. I don't want anything to do with that contract.


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Agreed. As a guy that really wanted the Flames to snap up Josh Anderson, the Habs have ruined that idea with the contract they gave him.

Maybe if they retained $1-2 million.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What a pointless post.

I said a rumour is factual if a deal is being discussed. You just repeated the same thing back after earlier saying a deal has to come to fruition for a rumour to be factual. Which is it?

And I never said the Eichel stuff was a factual rumour, but Eichel doesn't have to end up in Calgary for it to be a fact that the two teams have been talking.

Plus I'd give some rumours more credit based on the frequency and the sources, two things that I believe we see in the Eichel discussions.

Add in the fact that Treliving is in on everything and it becomes less of a threshold to be a factual rumour.

Are you really suggesting the two teams aren't talking? Talk about a salmon and upstream.

I've always laughed when people get mad that a rumour doesn't come true, That's why it's a rumour.

These NHL GMs have multiple discussions each week on ways to improve their teams, potential trades, etc. And they probably result in a trade less than 1% of the time.

Just because a rumor doesn't come true doesn't mean those discussions didn't happen.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Interesting that Buffalo is not in that market as well. They’ve had a good start to the season (unlike Arizona) but if before the season started most people were to pick the two most likely teams to finish at the bottom of the standings it would be Buffalo and Arizona I think. So I would think Buffalo would be willing to retain salary if it increased the return for eichel. Maybe not though… they will have star players that need new contracts 3 years from now so maybe they don’t want $1-2 million in retained salary from eichel limiting them at that time.


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Apparently Buffalo is not willing to retain salary. Friedman spoke about this related to the rumour Colorado had approached Buffalo on Eichel. He did say they are willing to take back a contract with one or two years left on it (Sean Monahan).

[genetic_phreek]

Thread title should be changed:

"Rumour for weeks: Flames, Golden Knights among finalists for Eichel"

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What a pointless post.

I said a rumour is factual if a deal is being discussed. You just repeated the same thing back after earlier saying a deal has to come to fruition for a rumour to be factual. Which is it?

And I never said the Eichel stuff was a factual rumour, but Eichel doesn't have to end up in Calgary for it to be a fact that the two teams have been talking.

Plus I'd give some rumours more credit based on the frequency and the sources, two things that I believe we see in the Eichel discussions.

Add in the fact that Treliving is in on everything and it becomes less of a threshold to be a factual rumour.

Are you really suggesting the two teams aren't talking? Talk about a salmon and upstream.

Are we playing fast and loose with the word fact?

Isn’t that a rumour and a hyperbolic one at that?

[Johnny Makarov]

Sutter and Feaster needs to chime in on this.

.... remember when i gave you Lydman for free? and Feaster gave you Regehr for Butler!!

plus we'll rename the Calgary Tennis Dome, the Jessica Pegula Tennis Event Centre. Deal done in 5 mins.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What a pointless post.

I said a rumour is factual if a deal is being discussed. You just repeated the same thing back after earlier saying a deal has to come to fruition for a rumour to be factual. Which is it?

And I never said the Eichel stuff was a factual rumour, but Eichel doesn't have to end up in Calgary for it to be a fact that the two teams have been talking.

Plus I'd give some rumours more credit based on the frequency and the sources, two things that I believe we see in the Eichel discussions.

Add in the fact that Treliving is in on everything and it becomes less of a threshold to be a factual rumour.

Are you really suggesting the two teams aren't talking? Talk about a salmon and upstream.

You're missing the point. TOfan tried to make these Eichel rumors seem righteous and discount the Tkachuk rumors in the offseason, based mostly on their personal preference for sources. How is this "rumor" any more substantive than the one that was being bounced around about Tkachuk? They are all just conjecture - and mostly bull#### - until something actually happens. And no, frequency or number of sources brings no substance to them either. Media types will jump on bandwagons just as hard as fans will, and they will get wrapped up in the bull#### just as much as the fans will. They talk to person X, who is repeating what they heard, while not disclosing that what they heard came from the same primary source. Ah, but now you have two sources who heard the same thing, right? More credence to the "rumor" right? No, just the same lame rumor, but with more telephone involved. Repetition of rumor does not give it credence. It just means there are more people out there willing to talk about it.

Do I think something is happening? Yes, I do. Buffalo and the league needs this to come a close. Do I think the Flames are in the middle of it? No more than every other "rumor" that has been around where Treliving was in the mix, but came up empty. I'm sure he's put an offer in. I'm sure he calls Buffalo every now and then to see if there is any change. Do I think it is a leading offer and the Flames are a team likely to make the deal? No. Not with the current makeup of the team, not with the current cap situation, and not with the early success the team has had. Unless they find a way to magically make $10M in cap space appear, the Flames are not in this. But without that big chunk of cap space, or a third party willing to take on some of the Flames cap problems (more assets going out with nothing coming back), making a trade for Eichel is an impossibility.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

This is getting silly, and Buffalo's GM is a dummy. Whatever he gets for Eichel now, he could have got more during the offseason.

Great job, dummy.

Every day, the price goes down. That’s the surgery factor

I suspect this is why, out of nowhere, we’re hearing the ask is Lindholm, Hanifin, Coronato and a 1st, when that hasn’t been remotely close to a reported acceptable ask for months - they overplayed their hand and now are desperately trying to drive up the bidding again.


Enjoy Zadorov, Pelletier, Mackey, Francis and a 2nd.

You can’t ask a team to gut their roster AND drag things out to ensure the player isn’t available to help them this season.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Apparently Buffalo is not willing to retain salary. Friedman spoke about this related to the rumour Colorado had approached Buffalo on Eichel. He did say they are willing to take back a contract with one or two years left on it (Sean Monahan).

I think if Monahan was willing to go to Buffalo we would have a deal done already.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

This is getting silly, and Buffalo's GM is a dummy. Whatever he gets for Eichel now, he could have got more during the offseason.

Great job, dummy.

We don't really know that until we find out what the trade will be. People thought Joe Sakic was dumb for dragging out the Duchene sweepstakes but he came out of it pretty good in terms of assets (especially when you consider Duchene a comparable talent to Taylor Hall -- Sakic fetched more in that deal than any of Hall's trades).

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

We don't really know that until we find out what the trade will be. People thought Joe Sakic was dumb for dragging out the Duchene sweepstakes but he came out of it pretty good in terms of assets (especially when you consider Duchene a comparable talent to Taylor Hall -- Sakic fetched more in that deal than any of Hall's trades).

But when Sakic traded Duchene, Duchene was available for Ottawa the next day.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Are we playing fast and loose with the word fact?

Isn’t that a rumour and a hyperbolic one at that?

You don't think Treliving is on everything? Or you don't trust all the sources that say he's in on everything?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You're missing the point. TOfan tried to make these Eichel rumors seem righteous and discount the Tkachuk rumors in the offseason, based mostly on their personal preference for sources. How is this "rumor" any more substantive than the one that was being bounced around about Tkachuk? They are all just conjecture - and mostly bull#### - until something actually happens. And no, frequency or number of sources brings no substance to them either. Media types will jump on bandwagons just as hard as fans will, and they will get wrapped up in the bull#### just as much as the fans will. They talk to person X, who is repeating what they heard, while not disclosing that what they heard came from the same primary source. Ah, but now you have two sources who heard the same thing, right? More credence to the "rumor" right? No, just the same lame rumor, but with more telephone involved. Repetition of rumor does not give it credence. It just means there are more people out there willing to talk about it.

Do I think something is happening? Yes, I do. Buffalo and the league needs this to come a close. Do I think the Flames are in the middle of it? No more than every other "rumor" that has been around where Treliving was in the mix, but came up empty. I'm sure he's put an offer in. I'm sure he calls Buffalo every now and then to see if there is any change. Do I think it is a leading offer and the Flames are a team likely to make the deal? No. Not with the current makeup of the team, not with the current cap situation, and not with the early success the team has had. Unless they find a way to magically make $10M in cap space appear, the Flames are not in this. But without that big chunk of cap space, or a third party willing to take on some of the Flames cap problems (more assets going out with nothing coming back), making a trade for Eichel is an impossibility.

I haven't missed the point at all.

You came out and said a deal has to come to fruition to be a factual rumour.

Not true.

Your second paragraph is what you're complaining that others do ... subjectively deciding to believe something or not.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

But when Sakic traded Duchene, Duchene was available for Ottawa the next day.

Was he? First 7 games, no points and -10 haha.

That is a fair point, though. But that was the case in the summer as well for Eichel. This is a surgery with a long recovery.

[dammage79]

Is he guaranteed to miss the Olympics now?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Is he guaranteed to miss the Olympics now?

Pretty much. If he is lucky and had the surgery today, there is a very small chance he heals in time for the start of the Olympics. Doubtful USA Hockey would take him though with no games played.