Friedman: Gaudreau not expected to comment on contract status

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Agreed

Irrelevant

Iggy was after ultimate succes

What did he / we learn?

Iggy actually went where he got the best contract.

Players often say they went to a particular team for reasons other than financial, even though they selected the best financial deal.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Iggy actually went where he got the best contract.

Players often say they went to a particular team for reasons other than financial, even though they selected the best financial deal.


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Not at first instance. He chose Pittsburgh as a trade because he thought they’d win. His contract in that case was the same either way.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Agreed

Irrelevant

Iggy was after ultimate succes

What did he / we learn?

Iggy got everything except for the cup. Not everyone is like that.

But yeah, doesn’t always work but sometimes it did, ie Ray Bourqe

[bax]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Are you seriously comparing staying in Colorado to staying in Calgary? Arguably the best team in the entire NHL with a lineup that should contend for the Cup for the foreseeable future, compared to a team that didn't make the playoffs last year and has major question marks moving forward. Apples and oranges.

Okay if that example doesn’t work for you look at other UFA’s. Does Rielly not want to be in Toronto because he isn’t signed? What about Barkov and Florida? Klingberg and Dallas? Forsberg and Nashville?

I guess all of these players will be leaving their teams at the end of the season?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by bax

Okay if that example doesn’t work for you look at other UFA’s. Does Rielly not want to be in Toronto because he isn’t signed? What about Barkov and Florida? Klingberg and Dallas? Forsberg and Nashville?

I guess all of these players will be leaving their teams at the end of the season?

Some may. I bet Forsberg and Klinberg would.
Barkov wouldn’t because he is their franchise player and they would overpay to keep him. Reilly also but not sure they have the cap for him

If Treliving gives Johnny the money he wants, I am certain that he will sign.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bax

“If Johnny really wanted to be here that bad I think he would be signed already”

I’m not sure why people keep saying this. Landeskog wanted to stay in Colorado but didn’t sign until moments before free agency started.

Gaudreau likely wants to stay in Calgary while also having a big pay day. Both can be true. His agent is likely using all of the leverage he can to get the biggest deal for Johnny. That’s fine, that’s his job. Treliving is likely holding firm on his end as well since there is no immediate deadline to have this resolved.

These types of negotiations usually take a long time and require both parties to move off of their initial positions.

Gaudreau might end up leaving, I’m not denying that’s a possibility, but the fact he isn’t signed yet isn’t proof of anything.

Of course they do.

They have had a year to get this done already though. Is that not "a long time"?

Logically, (which is rarely implemented when talking about emotional subjects aroud these parts by many) it only makes sense for Gaudreau to wait and see what may come his way in UFA.

His only risk at this point is a career altering injury that would prevent him from getting paid in the future, from what ever team that may be. Something every single player faces in a contract season.

Even if his preference is to stay in Calgary, he can still do that after exploring other opportunities and regardless of where he decides to go, he is going to get paid, so there is zero pressure points against him in that scenario.

It follows then that JG has set his price/term to stay in Calgary (if its true he is willing to stay) and it is clearly not palatable to BT and crew, hence, why there is no deal yet.

Pretty much business as usual across the NHL actually and not sure why anyone would be so defensive that it is how things appear to playing out.

[442scotty]

I think common sense would show that Gaudreau’s first choice would be an 8 year deal for big coin playing in Philly/area. Second choice staying in Calgary. I’m going to guess that for Gaudreau , now that he’s married, the “happy wife happy life” is his number one consideration. Perhaps the Gaudreau’s are seeing how it goes in Calgary this year before making a decision and Treliving is also seeing how it goes for Gaudreau before breaking the bank for him.

[bax]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Of course they do.

They have had a year to get this done already though. Is that not "a long time"?

Logically, (which is rarely implemented when talking about emotional subjects aroud these parts by many) it only makes sense for Gaudreau to wait and see what may come his way in UFA.

His only risk at this point is a career altering injury that would prevent him from getting paid in the future, from what ever team that may be. Something every single player faces in a contract season.

Even if his preference is to stay in Calgary, he can still do that after exploring other opportunities and regardless of where he decides to go, he is going to get paid, so there is zero pressure points against him in that scenario.

It follows then that JG has set his price/term to stay in Calgary (if its true he is willing to stay) and it is clearly not palatable to BT and crew, hence, why there is no deal yet.

Pretty much business as usual across the NHL actually and not sure why anyone would be so defensive that it is how things appear to playing out.

Maybe I’m operating under some incorrect information, but I think Gaudreau has only been eligible to sign an extension since the end of July- essentially only 2 months.

Regardless, time isn’t an issue for either party right now. There is no immediate deadline therefore no reason for either party to move off of their position (whatever those may be).

There is also the possibility of the Flames deciding to move in a different direction if they don’t get any assurances from the Gaudreau camp.

All in all though I agree with you- this is business as usual across the NHL. Gaudreau’s situation isn’t unique to him, this happens all the time.

It’s the statements like “If Gaudreau actually wanted to be here he would be signed already” that I take issue with. It’s simply not true.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Pretty much business as usual across the NHL actually and not sure why anyone would be so defensive that it is how things appear to playing out.

I don't understand either why some get defensive as the situation is what it is. No ifs, ands, or buts, the situation is going to play out one of three ways;

a) player re-signs (during or after season)
b) player is traded (during or after season)
c) player goes UFA and signs elsewhere

All are on the table right now and nobody can say for certain which one it will be. All we can do is discuss the situation and where it may go.

[Gaskal]

Haha.. guess he's going to pull a Landy and re sign with us for 8 years on the day before free agency.

This place is going to be a riot.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bax

Maybe I’m operating under some incorrect information, but I think Gaudreau has only been eligible to sign an extension since the end of July- essentially only 2 months.

Regardless, time isn’t an issue for either party right now. There is no immediate deadline therefore no reason for either party to move off of their position (whatever those may be).

There is also the possibility of the Flames deciding to move in a different direction if they don’t get any assurances from the Gaudreau camp.

All in all though I agree with you- this is business as usual across the NHL. Gaudreau’s situation isn’t unique to him, this happens all the time.

It’s the statements like “If Gaudreau actually wanted to be here he would be signed already” that I take issue with. It’s simply not true.

He couldnt physically sign anything until July but there was nothing preventing the agent and BT talking about it for the last year. Its not like it came as a surprise to them that this thing was coming to its conclusion.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't understand either why some get defensive as the situation is what it is. No ifs, ands, or buts, the situation is going to play out one of three ways;

a) player re-signs (during or after season)
b) player is traded (during or after season)
c) player goes UFA and signs elsewhere

All are on the table right now and nobody can say for certain which one it will be. All we can do is discuss the situation and where it may go.

I was of this opinion when the season ended and it only played out 2 ways

A) the player is re-signed
B) the player is traded before his NTC kicks in

The fact neither happened leads me to hope A is still going to be the end result.

I definitely have turned on Treliving for the time being. I was willing to give him the summer but have been underwhelmed by the changes and I just seeing how this preseason has gone is starting to suck the optimism I had out the door. I really think the Flames will go as far as Markstrom can take them this year and if he gets hurt it could be a top 10 pick coming our way and I assume a full rebuild that will be expedited

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not at first instance. He chose Pittsburgh as a trade because he thought they’d win. His contract in that case was the same either way.

That was for a trade deadline deal.

I was talking about players as UFA. They often go where the Monet was the best. Coleman received his best financial offer from Calgary, that’s why he is here.


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[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That was for a trade deadline deal.

I was talking about players as UFA. They often go where the Monet was the best. Coleman received his best financial offer from Calgary, that’s why he is here.


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although you are primarily correct, it also depends on the stage in their career...Coleman won his cups so he can go for the big deal but if he hadn't then he might go to the team with the best chance to win.

[bax]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He couldnt physically sign anything until July but there was nothing preventing the agent and BT talking about it for the last year. Its not like it came as a surprise to them that this thing was coming to its conclusion.

Fair enough, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is tons of time left to negotiate and time = leverage

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Of course they do.

They have had a year to get this done already though. Is that not "a long time"?

Logically, (which is rarely implemented when talking about emotional subjects aroud these parts by many) it only makes sense for Gaudreau to wait and see what may come his way in UFA.

His only risk at this point is a career altering injury that would prevent him from getting paid in the future, from what ever team that may be. Something every single player faces in a contract season.

Even if his preference is to stay in Calgary, he can still do that after exploring other opportunities and regardless of where he decides to go, he is going to get paid, so there is zero pressure points against him in that scenario.

It follows then that JG has set his price/term to stay in Calgary (if its true he is willing to stay) and it is clearly not palatable to BT and crew, hence, why there is no deal yet.

Pretty much business as usual across the NHL actually and not sure why anyone would be so defensive that it is how things appear to playing out.

All the more perplexing to me that he’s not traded then if they are in a contract stalemate. This isn’t close to a SC contender, and logically they’d get more assets with a full season of Johnny vs dealing at deadline.

Ownership really needs to *%# or get off the pot with this group.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not at first instance. He chose Pittsburgh as a trade because he thought they’d win. His contract in that case was the same either way.

Iggy chose Pittsburgh and they went to the ECF.

He chose Boston and they won their division and the 1st round.

He chose Colorado because they had just drafted MacKinnon.

This #### is hard.

[Erick Estrada]

The thing to keep an eye on this season is just how well Johnny plays in a contract year. If he lights things up he drives up his contract price (bad for Flames fans) but also ups his trade value at the deadline (good for Flames fans). I feel the only way the Flames can screw up that scenario is to finish the season with him still on the roster and unsigned. You can argue things get muddier if he has a down season as do you want to sign him long term if he's possibly declining and his trade value may be disappointing as well.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The thing to keep an eye on this season is just how well Johnny plays in a contract year. If he lights things up he drives up his contract price (bad for Flames fans) but also ups his trade value at the deadline (good for Flames fans). I feel the only way the Flames can screw up that scenario is to finish the season with him still on the roster and unsigned. You can argue things get muddier if he has a down season as do you want to sign him long term if he's possibly declining and his trade value may be disappointing as well.

Johnny isn't going to light it up here. No one is.

Here are his top scorers in LA.

2011/2012 (Sutter took over mid-season): Kopitar 76 points (.93 PPG), Williams 59 points (.72 PPG), Brown 54 points (.66 PPG)
2012/2013: Kopitar 42 points (.89 PPG), Carter 33 points (.69 PPG), Williams 33 points (.69 PPG)
2013/2014: Kopitar 70 points (.85 PPG), Carter 50 points (.69 PPG), Williams 43 points (.52 points)
2014/2015: Kopitar 64 points (.81 PPG), Carter 62 points (.76 PPG), Toffoli 49 points (.64 PPG)

This team will be a bottom 5 team offensively.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

All the more perplexing to me that he’s not traded then if they are in a contract stalemate. This isn’t close to a SC contender, and logically they’d get more assets with a full season of Johnny vs dealing at deadline.

Ownership really needs to *%# or get off the pot with this group.

I agree 199% but the truth is that BT really has been pretty damn good at getting his own guys to sign fair deals and as such likely feels empowered that he can do it again here.

He needs to win this year IMO (make playoffs) or he is gonzo.

Pretty unlikely he could have dealt JG and gotten back anything close to the offense he would have lost. So with DS in control of the type of hockey they are going to be playing, BT is gambling on re-signing JG and brought in a bunch of defense first players with the hopes it saves his job.

Losing JG for no return to UFA is an unmitigated disaster for this franchise though, and its a real possibility if the team is comfortably looking to be in the playoffs on March 21. Hard to blame BT in this scenario when the future doesnt matter to him if he is out at years end.