Brad Treliving needs to go

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Only a fanbase as abused as this one would downplay actual results (you know, like playoff round wins) in favour of some theoretical proper blueprint that has yet to even match let alone exceed that result. Let me know when someone actually outdoes Hartley's achievement. Until then, he's the best coach to have been behind the bench here under Treliving.

if you want to value a first round playoff win against a canucks team who was doing their best 2011 calgary flames impression over a team that got first in the west and really was one of the most dominant teams in the entire nhl all season then go ahead, but i actually remember the games that hartley coached and that was not pretty or exciting unless you only watched the last 2 minutes of about 13 games that they won after being dominated night after night

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Oh, I agree with you about that. And yet, Hartley is still the worst of the bunch.

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Worst of the bunch? He is the only one to have a Stanley Cup ring and the only one to head coach a team past the 1st round of the playoffs EVER.

The league has for the most part gone soft, players can't handle a hard ass, Hartley got canned because he was apparently royal d**k, which is probably why he isn't in the league anymore. This team needs exactly that, along with a better tactician.

Not saying rehire Hartley but to say he is the worst of the bunch is lunacy.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hartley has 3 more PO wins for Calgary than Ward. In 4 seasons to Hartley’s one. Unless you count Ward’s play in win. It’s really not that huge.

Meanwhile, every coach since Hartley has a better regular season winning percentage.

Hartley was a bad NHL coach, which is why he’s in Siberia.

Hartley would put Lindholm on the first line and put Tkachuk back with Backlund I suspect. Believe it or not GioforPM we actually have a coach and fans who think that the current lines are more of a threat 5 on 5 than the old lines, despite the old lines vastly outscoring these new lines 5 on 5 for the last two seasons.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by stone hands

if you want to value a first round playoff win against a canucks team who was doing their best 2011 calgary flames impression over a team that got first in the west and really was one of the most dominant teams in the entire nhl all season then go ahead, but i actually remember the games that hartley coached and that was not pretty or exciting unless you only watched the last 2 minutes of about 13 games that they won after being dominated night after night

He was also working with the worst roster and somehow got them to over achieve. Now we seem to have a better roster who consistently under achieve.

[Sandman]

If Hartley was effective as an NHL coach, then he would be an NHL coach, instead of a KHL coach. The reason he even got a job here was because of his relationship with Feaster. Fact of the matter is, he was already a dinosaur in the game-his methods and system don't work in this league anymore, and only a certain kind of group can preform under him (scouts and GMs know this). The year we made the playoffs with him at the helm was an anomaly-we all remember the adage that they always needed "40 foot putts" to win games (because of all the hail-mary comebacks, and OT wins) and that their success was "unsustainable". That was very true.

He was like Keenan-great at motivation, poor tactician.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by stone hands

if you want to value a first round playoff win against a canucks team who was doing their best 2011 calgary flames impression over a team that got first in the west and really was one of the most dominant teams in the entire nhl all season then go ahead, but i actually remember the games that hartley coached and that was not pretty or exciting unless you only watched the last 2 minutes of about 13 games that they won after being dominated night after night

The Flames that beat Vancouver were not a great team, and i'm not arguing they were. It makes what Hartley achieved with them even more remarkable. He got them to over-perform. The other iterations of the the team have all under-performed, being further along in the rebuild. The dominant Flames team that got first in the west under performed badly come crunch time, and haven't been the same since.

My opinion only, and it might be crazy..the objective of an NHL team is to win a Stanley cup. Getting closer to that objective is often, if not always, better than being further away from it.

Like I said, its not that Hartley's accomplishments were amazing (they were given the Flames pathetic playoff history), but I'm still eagerly awaiting for someone to do better.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hartley would put Lindholm on the first line and put Tkachuk back with Backlund I suspect. Believe it or not GioforPM we actually have a coach and fans who think that the current lines are more of a threat 5 on 5 than the old lines, despite the old lines vastly outscoring these new lines 5 on 5 for the last two seasons.

Hartley would just yell at them and then go tell a joke to reporters.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hartley would just yell at them and then go tell a joke to reporters.

Maybe, but this experiment of having two mediocre 5 on 5 lines with Lindholm at center is perplexing versus the obvious more productive two more productive lines from the previous two seasons that were much more productive.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Worst of the bunch? He is the only one to have a Stanley Cup ring and the only one to head coach a team past the 1st round of the playoffs EVER.

The league has for the most part gone soft, players can't handle a hard ass, Hartley got canned because he was apparently royal d**k, which is probably why he isn't in the league anymore. This team needs exactly that, along with a better tactician.

Not saying rehire Hartley but to say he is the worst of the bunch is lunacy.

Ward has a Stanley Cup ring.

And Hartley won his with a team that had Joe Sakic, Peter Forsberg, Milan Hedjuk, Tanguay, Foote, Drury, Bourque, Blake, and Roy. And then he was gone in a year and a half because he couldn’t get that same lineup much past .500.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ward has a Stanley Cup ring.

And Hartley won his with a team that had Joe Sakic, Peter Forsberg, Milan Hedjuk, Tanguay, Foote, Drury, Bourque, Blake, and Roy. And then he was gone in a year and a half because he couldn’t get that same lineup much past .500.

A cup winning team actually had good players and he eventually got fired? What a hack.

[memphusk]

Could the Hartley team maybe of won a cup if Darryl was boss?

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Igottago

A cup winning team actually had good players and he eventually got fired? What a hack.

Man down, Colorado was good.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Hartley had several players overachieve individually and collectively.

He had the team playing a style that was suited to their abilities and got results. And a Jack Adams

Worst of the bunch? Pfft.

Sounds like a porcupine at a balloon party

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Igottago

A cup winning team actually had good players and he eventually got fired? What a hack.

The same cup winning team tuned him out and he got fired. He was essentially Terry Crisp - won a cup with a team that others built. Crawford won a cup with almost the same team, and turns out he was a crap coach as well, based on his post cup record.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Could the Hartley team maybe of won a cup if Darryl was boss?

Hartley's teams required a high-octane group of offensive players. Sutter's teams required bruising size, physicality, and intimidation. So I don't think so, but just my opinion.

Sutter's teams play frustrating defence as well.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah, Hartley is the only Flames coach since the young guns days and Daryl's first full season who got to coach a team with no expectations of being at least a playoff team. When his teams had any expectation on them...they were bad. When there was no pressure like a lot of plucky underdogs they over achieved.

Haha, oh man, this post made me laugh. As if it's the norm for the Flames to be a team of high expectations. The Flames consistently oscillate in a narrow band around mediocrity.

Peters is the only one to have had genuinely high expectations in the last decade, as the team was heading into the playoffs. That lasted all of five games before returning to the team's actual norm. I guess the Avs were just plucky underdogs? And, I guess the high expectations were actually, an excuse for failure?

Give me the coach who is capable of turning a team of mediocre talent into a bunch of entertaining, overachieving underdogs. Better than the coach who can't.

[Calgary '89]

Man all you guys arguing about Hartley? What’s next Greg Gilbert??
There’s a reason these coaches are long gone from the NHL. Hartley is a tool and never had the respect of the players cuz he didn’t respect players, it’s a known reality. Yes, he won a Stanley Cup with one of the most stacked teams of a generation so good for him. Never replicated anything near as good to that.
During his time here the Flames were known as the comeback kids cuz they couldn’t win any other period but the 3rd. It’s a fun stat but it also means you’re behind a lot.

Another thing, Treliving didn’t hire Hartley, Feaster did. Tre’s biggest mistake with coaches was Gulutzan, not because he’s not a good hockey mind but because he’s not a good leader, doesn’t know how to run a room.

Peters was a good hire, good at coaching hockey but unfortunately his past came back to haunt him and we got stuck with Ward, which if you all remember was brought in to fix the PP and he did just that. I kinda think Ward is like Gulutzan in the sense that he can’t run a room. I hope I’m wrong but I guess we’ll see.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Hartley had several players overachieve individually and collectively.

He had the team playing a style that was suited to their abilities and got results. And a Jack Adams

Worst of the bunch? Pfft.

Sounds like a porcupine at a balloon party

Jack Adams? Patrick Roy got one the year before. Paul Maclean has one. Dan Bylsma has one (and a cup). Jacques Martin has one. Sometimes it means “you’re a good coach”. Sometimes it means “hey, your ####ty team wasn’t as ####ty as we expected”.

[Strange Brew]

So if you cloned the current Flames and they played themselves in a seven game series, whose team would win? Hartley, GG, Peters or Ward?

Many of you seem very confident in your answers. I’m not.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Jack Adams? Patrick Roy got one the year before. Paul Maclean has one. Dan Bylsma has one (and a cup). Jacques Martin has one. Sometimes it means “you’re a good coach”. Sometimes it means “hey, your ####ty team wasn’t as ####ty as we expected”.

Umm... Having your team be not as ####ty as expected because of your coaching is, you know, actually a really good thing

So there’s that