2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Why try and groom Dube into being a center when you already have one available in Bennett? I know he has played wing most of his time with the flames but he is/was a centre prior to that.

Because Dubé has a chance to be a top 6 forward and Bennett is pretty much set in the bottom 6

[Vinny01]

I see on HF they link a Friedman article that states the cap will be flat for the next 3 years.

I think this could definitely benefit the Flames. Firstly if Taylor Hall is looking to sign here and wants to win he is likely looking at a contract closer to $8M per than $10M per.

I also think the value of Gaudreau goes up in a trade as he has a phenomenal cap hit and I think even if they wait a year to deal him Treliving can still get a solid return due to the next 3 years being tight for everyone

[SuperMatt18]

Hypothetical question:

Senators get two of the top three picks in the draft via the lottery and decide to move one of the top picks (2nd or 3rd overall).

Senators make an offer of the 2nd or 3rd overall pick for Matthew Tkachuk to reunite the Tkachuk brothers in Ottawa.

Would you make that trade as a Flames GM?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hypothetical question:

Senators get two of the top three picks in the draft via the lottery and decide to move one of the top picks (2nd or 3rd overall).

Senators make an offer of the 2nd or 3rd overall pick for Matthew Tkachuk to reunite the Tkachuk brothers in Ottawa.

Would you make that trade as a Flames GM?

Edit: misread, no not for one of the picks.

[SportsJunky]

I might for #2. I think Byfield is going to be a gem. It would hurt to give up Matty though.

[Major Major]

Nope. I would start gathering assets to make a move for Brady next off-season though. It will be interesting how Melnyk and B Tkachuk handle that negotiation.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hypothetical question:

Senators get two of the top three picks in the draft via the lottery and decide to move one of the top picks (2nd or 3rd overall).

Senators make an offer of the 2nd or 3rd overall pick for Matthew Tkachuk to reunite the Tkachuk brothers in Ottawa.

Would you make that trade as a Flames GM?

Tkachuk and Bennett for 3rd overall and Colin White

They wouldn't trade both picks or the earliest one IMO

Flames get a young right shot C/RW and a chance at Byfield, Stutzle, Pefetti, Rossi etc

Also helps if they can get Hall as speculated.

Gaudreau - Monahan - White
Hall - Backlund - Lindholm

Plus a premier C prospect in the pipeline

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hypothetical question:

Senators get two of the top three picks in the draft via the lottery and decide to move one of the top picks (2nd or 3rd overall).

Senators make an offer of the 2nd or 3rd overall pick for Matthew Tkachuk to reunite the Tkachuk brothers in Ottawa.

Would you make that trade as a Flames GM?

Needs a significant plus coming with Byfield.

Matthew Tkachuk is a 22 year old franchise player in the making. He is likely the most popular player in Calgary and considered the future captain.

I also think that Ottawa would be silly not to draft likely their 1st and 2nd line centers of the future with those picks. Ottawa also is not trading a draft pick on an ELC for a $7M player that needs a big contract and likely big raise in 2 years

[SuperMatt18]

Should have added...if it was pick 1 or 2 and you are getting one of Byfield or Lafreniere then I'd probably think really hard about it.

Byfield especially I think will be a stud.

[Monahammer]

I'm not sure I make that trade. It's still a lottery ticket, even if it's one with good odds. The maximum payout here is that they could become slightly better than tkachuk (but that is fairly dubious, Tkachuk is a top LW in the league and still growing.)
It's known value vs potential value. With Tkachuk the known value is already so damn high that it makes it hard to justify a trade unless it's really stunning.
A top 2 pick is pretty stunning but I would still want more.

[dino7c]

It could be anything! maybe even a Tkachuk

You don't trade a sure thing for a maybe...Christ Tkachuk should have gone #2 himself

[Harry Lime]

Logan Brown or Drake Batherson would have to come along with it. Maybe both, if it's #3 instead of #2. Maybe more, it would have to be an overpay simply because even first overall picks bust.

[Monahammer]

We even have someone who was projected to go first on our roster, and look how that has turned out.

Tkachuk is a sure thing, any pick no matter how high is not.

[Vinny01]

I would rather find a way to get the Sens to trade us Brady rather than trade Matthew to them

[djsFlames]

I think Tkachuk is turning into one of those key ingredients to a championship team.

After a disappointing playoffs he came in and scored way more important goals this year when the team was most desperate, passed Johnny in point production and the way he's playing guys like Kassian like a fiddle and imploded the Oilers with ease shows how much of a weapon he can be when he tops out.

Ottawa would have to send us an offer we couldnt refuse. Meaning something along the lines of three A level pieces.

[The Yen Man]

I honestly don't think either team makes that trade. Flames lose their franchise winger and arguably most popular player that they've already developed and need during their window of competitiveness.

Ottawa loses out on what could be drafting a franchise centre in Byfield. They don't need Matt Tkatchuk right now on their team, as they will not be good for another couple of years at least.

[dissentowner]

I would feel more comfortable if I knew what Tkachuk's plans were going forward in regards to Calgary.

[ComixZone]

nvm

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It could be anything! maybe even a Tkachuk

You don't trade a sure thing for a maybe...Christ Tkachuk should have gone #2 himself

I just don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping this...

Just going from my proposal a few posts up:

Tkachuk + Bennett

vs.

Hall + White + 3rd overall

I dunno, I love Tkachuk but I think I take option two if it were available, especially since you'd have Hall for 7 years, White for 5 years and the 3rd overall under team control for at least 7 years.

Option #1 will have Tkachuk either making $10 million + by himself in two years, or gone in three.

It's the same when people talk about trading Johnny. I'm sure most Flames fans would much rather keep Johnny than trade him, but if you can get Hall, plus with the uncertainty of Johnny re-signing in Calgary then from an asset management stand point trading him is the way better option.

[Poe969]

Byfield coiod be anything, even Tkachuck??? Lol that's awesome. How long has this team had an elite winger and no center depth? That's like saying Tkachuck could be anything, even a Gaudreau! How many cups are won by teams with elite wingers and just "good" centers??

You need an elite center to win a cup. We don't know if Byfield will be an elite center but we know Tkachuck wont be.