[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Table 5]

A summer where there are potentially 4-5 rock solid coaching candidates, the Flames will hold onto their mediocre coach on a short leash (so he'll get fired during the season when all the good guys are no longer available)?

That would be a very Flames thing to do.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I want to know why no one has asked Treliving for a “vote of confidence” in his coach. All over the sports world, when a coach is perceived to be on the ropes, GMs are asked to comment on their coach’s future... but no one has asked Tree for a comment?

I’m wondering what’s up with that.

Likely people realize it's a wasted question, as it means nothing when the GMs answer it, so no one has bothered to ask. Someone will ask it at the end of the season, and BT will respond with "we are evaluating all elements of the team, including management" or something to that effect, as he should.

[icecube]

What the Flames do with the coach this offseason will determine whether or not I am a Flames fan anymore. I've been a fan since 2000 and have had ticket packages and seasons before I moved back home. I will stop watching hockey altogether and just play yahoo fantasy league with my pals.

This season has been the most demoralizing I can remember. Gulutzan is just as crappy as Hay or Gilbert if not more so. They need to hire someone legit or I am gone. I don't have it in me to keep watching a terrible product. I like feeling good, not miserable.

Kudos to those of you who support through thick and thin.

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by icecube

What the Flames do with the coach this offseason will determine whether or not I am a Flames fan anymore. I've been a fan since 2000 and have had ticket packages and seasons before I moved back home. I will stop watching hockey altogether and just play yahoo fantasy league with my pals.

This season has been the most demoralizing I can remember. Gulutzan is just as crappy as Hay or Gilbert if not more so. They need to hire someone legit or I am gone. I don't have it in me to keep watching a terrible product. I like feeling good, not miserable.

Kudos to those of you who support through thick and thin.

See you in October

[icecube]

Originally Posted by colbym72

See you in October

I stuck to my guns and promised myself I wouldn't watch a single game until Gulutzan was fired after the December 5th loss to the Oilers. Best decision I made in a while too since I didn't have to get angry watching this team dig itself deeper into joke territory.

They need a great coach. They need to open their wallets and grab someone proven. I can't be a masochist any longer. I need to see some playoff hockey with this solid of a roster.

[bax]

I can’t believe some people are claiming they will stop cheering for the Flames if they don’t fire the coach.

Personally I could see it going either way. It’s such a fine line between winning and losing in this league. Hell, a revamp of the powerplay strategy, a few more in game adjustments, and some new faces in the bottom six and this team is probably flirting with 100 points.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by bax

I can’t believe some people are claiming they will stop cheering for the Flames if they don’t fire the coach.

Personally I could see it going either way. It’s such a fine line between winning and losing in this league. Hell, a revamp of the powerplay strategy, a few more in game adjustments, and some new faces in the bottom six and this team is probably flirting with 100 points.

Well, it's not a question of "stop cheering", but more of "stop paying attention". Much like I "cheer" for the Hitmen, Roughnecks, and, dare I say, Stampeders. Would I be happy if they won? Sure. But I don't care enough to actually follow the sport... Had this discussion at our weekly poker game - consensus: would not accept free tickets to a Flames game at this point, even with a $100 concessions tab. Too much time commitment and PIA for the payoff. I think GG hockey is significantly responsible...

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by bax

I can’t believe some people are claiming they will stop cheering for the Flames if they don’t fire the coach.

Personally I could see it going either way. It’s such a fine line between winning and losing in this league. Hell, a revamp of the powerplay strategy, a few more in game adjustments, and some new faces in the bottom six and this team is probably flirting with 100 points.

There is a difference between stopping cheering for a team, and stopping paying huge amounts of money for season tickets to watch a bad product.

[Toonage]

If Gulutzan is still the coach, sure I'll watch the games but I won't pay to come into the city a few times a year to attend them live. My primary complaint is that this hockey just hasn't been good. I'll always be a fan of the team no matter what but I won't pay to come see it live. I guess that will be my protest, modest as it is.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by icecube

What the Flames do with the coach this offseason will determine whether or not I am a Flames fan anymore. I've been a fan since 2000 and have had ticket packages and seasons before I moved back home. I will stop watching hockey altogether and just play yahoo fantasy league with my pals.

This season has been the most demoralizing I can remember. Gulutzan is just as crappy as Hay or Gilbert if not more so. They need to hire someone legit or I am gone. I don't have it in me to keep watching a terrible product. I like feeling good, not miserable.

Kudos to those of you who support through thick and thin.

Sorry to hear that this has been so demoralizing for you, but don't stop being a Flames fan. Look at it this way; If the Flames make poor choices again then obviously some changes will eventually happen. It is true, sometimes people in life "or the Flames organization for that matter" has to learn hard lessons before they start to get with the right program. As fans we might be frustrated that is also part of being a fan.

"Learning is part of the process and there is a lot to be learned from this season before we can grow. Unfortunately making the "right" changes is not always as simple since we have to look at trends, history and available resources to grasp what works in a highly competitive NHL market.

[Itse]

First you stop watching, then eventually you stop caring. I pretty much stopped watching already, and I already notice myself caring a lot less.

I already care much less about the reasons they suck. It's this or that, what ever. Call me when they have a good season again.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Itse

First you stop watching, then eventually you stop caring. I pretty much stopped watching already, and I already notice myself caring a lot less.

I already care much less about the reasons they suck. It's this or that, what ever. Call me when they have a good season again.

I've pretty much stopped watching, but I'm having trouble with the stop caring part. Hopefully that will come in time. Or even better, the Flames actually become good and my caring is justifiable.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You simply can't afford to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

This is one of the dumbest inaccurate sayings that people use. Most of the time you actually do get different results.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by colbym72

See you in October

Maybe if I was still in my 20s with oodles of time to watch any sporting event of my choosing, several days a week, that would be the case. As it stands now, and I don't think I'm alone, I rarely tuned into a game for more than 10 minutes past February 1st and I don't intend to do it next season unless major changes are made. This team is just not entertaining anymore and has rarely been so for far too long.

The worst part about the last two years is that they've actually assembled more talent then they've had in decades but are now finding entirely new ways to bugger it all up with incompetent coaching and cheap, meddling (allegedly) owners that won't allow management to pursue a proper candidate. I've wasted too much time hoping this team get's it's act together over the last 30 years only to be disappointed and left ticked off at the product more often than not.....2004 and 2015 the only saving grace on an otherwise steaming pile of excrement that is this franchise.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well if Gulutzan isn't fired at the end of the season we may as well start the "Treliving replacement?" thread because he will almost certainly be fired by the end of next season with Gulutzan. You simply can't afford to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. Two years of this hockey is enough.

The kicker is, the Flames last year wouldn't have made the dance without that miracle 10 game winning streak.

So in his two year of being here, GG needed massive winning streaks to scratch its way into the dance. With the roster assembled, they shouldn't need to rely on season saving win streaks. GG has been insanely stubborn with his lineups too, the league figured out what they need to do to shut down the Flames and he made zero adjustments.

I don't see a way Glen has a job with the Flames unless Tre wants to get the boot as well.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I've wasted too much time hoping this team get's it's act together over the last 30 years only to be disappointed and left ticked off at the product more often than not.....2004 and 2015 the only saving grace on an otherwise steaming pile of excrement that is this franchise.

This is perfect coming from Hot_Flatus located in Uranus.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

The kicker is, the Flames last year wouldn't have made the dance without that miracle 10 game winning streak.



So in his two year of being here, GG needed massive winning streaks to scratch its way into the dance. With the roster assembled, they shouldn't need to rely on season saving win streaks. GG has been insanely stubborn with his lineups too, the league figured out what they need to do to shut down the Flames and he made zero adjustments.



I don't see a way Glen has a job with the Flames unless Tre wants to get the boot as well.

I’ve never understood this logic. What difference does it make over an 82 game season if the wins come in streaks or every other game?

Good teams go on winning streaks, momentum and confidence are huge elements in hockey and team sports in general.

Hate on the team/coach all you want because there are valid reasons to be concerned or upset, but they still went out and won those games. They count just as much as any other games. Take away 20 points from any team in the league and they will be outside of the playoffs.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by bax

I’ve never understood this logic. What difference does it make over an 82 game season if the wins come in streaks or every other game?

Good teams go on winning streaks, momentum and confidence are huge elements in hockey and team sports in general.

Hate on the team/coach all you want because there are valid reasons to be concerned or upset, but they still went out and won those games. They count just as much as any other games.

When the team puts themselves in a position that they need 8+ game winning streaks to get back into the pack and to save the season. Its not a good look on the coaching staff.

[Toonage]

Its the numbers/behavior outside of those winning streaks that's concerning. Over GG's 4 year NHL coaching career (Dallas & Calgary) they are strikingly similar.

I get that Treliving wouldn't be too concerned with the Dallas numbers until they started to become visible in his Calgary stay. Then instead of turning out of it, GG turned into it. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy.

I found these articles from Flamesnation to be quite interesting

https://flamesnation.ca/2018/02/12/t...ve-been-hired/
https://flamesnation.ca/2018/02/13/t...ss-vs-results/
https://flamesnation.ca/2018/02/21/t...art-3-defense/

[direwolf]

I'm a Flames fan through thick and thin until the day I die, and like many folks here, I made it through the dark years (Young Guns) without jumping off a bridge. But this is the first season in a very long time where I've completely run out of patience, and the disappointment seems to hurt more than any previous season. I think it's because the expectations were so much higher going into this season. On paper this is a solid roster that should have easily made the playoffs. Gulutzan has had two full years to make this a playoff caliber team. He failed miserably.

Treliving isn't stupid. He knows he's on the hot seat and needs to make some major changes, and it starts with the coaching staff. I think he'll do the right thing.