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[Cappy]

"I thought they retired you"

That was the "what door" moment this episode

[Finger Cookin]

What was the player piano song from near the beginning of the episode? It sounded really familiar but I couldn't quite place it.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

In the house of the rising sun. Lol. I got it this time! Stupid deadwood.

[Cappy]

Those two janitors were too bumbling for me. Glad they seem to be out of the fold and they are potentiall in to Maeve

[polak]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I'm still not convinced he William is the MIB. We'll find out by the end of the season, maybe?

The "I thought they retired you" line to the same host that greeted William in the park when he arrived seemed like a giveaway.

Really interested in how this will play out.

[gottabekd]

I really didn't want William to be revealed as the Man in Black. But I've had to come around these last few episodes. There is so much hinting at it, and there are some concrete details that are hard to ignore.

In this past episode, MIB (Ed Harris) says he was married to his wife for 30 years before she recently died. Also, in MIB's time, where Bernard, Ford, Theresa have been living, we know that 30 years prior, some big park safety disaster happened.

William is visiting the park for the first time with his soon brother-in-law, meaning he is to be married soon after this park visit. If William's visit ends in disaster (such as the brother being killed), but he still goes through with the marriage, William will have been married for 30 years when 30 years ago there was a disaster at the park...which matches MIB's story.

I think it was sloppily delivered, and agree that keeping it as a big 'reveal' this late in the season is stupid, but at this point if William is not the MIB (from 30 years prior), then it's a big FU by the writers for so many blatant hints in this direction.

[Finger Cookin]

The host that Teddy and MIB came across was the same one that greeted William in the park in the second episode? I knew she looked familiar, but I couldn't quite place her. Thanks.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by polak

The "I thought they retired you" line to the same host that greeted William in the park when he arrived seemed like a giveaway.

Really interested in how this will play out.

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

The host that Teddy and MIB came across was the same one that greeted William in the park in the second episode? I knew she looked familiar, but I couldn't quite place her. Thanks.

This host's name is Angela, and by the flashbacks in the episode she is one of the original (or close to) hosts. Delores saw her in her memory flashback when she arrived at the buried town site.

The MiB continuously references his past in the park, and most of it is meant to fill in the fact that he has been everywhere, done everything and knows all the long-standing hosts. Although he has a lot of lines like that, "I thought they retired you" doesn't seem like a throw-away line.

Given that the show has firmly established this host as an original, I'm not sure if it is as blatant a tie to the William=MiB two timeline theory as some suggest, but it's interesting.

[DuffMan]

I'm starting to wonder if Arnold is Fords brother, not even sure why.

I can see myself binge watching this whole season again before the last episode. I'm having a lot of wtf moments.

on another note, is it possible to just be an actress for HBO?

The new bar girl was in Banshee and True Detective s1.

[Cappy]

Yeah, still tough to say it will happen, but it seems likely.

In any event, I talked to a few people this week who love the show but don't go on reddit.

They had absolutely no idea about the two-timeline theory, so I wouldn't say the things have been super blatant.

Because we know the theory its alot harder for us to not see the writing

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I'm starting to wonder if Arnold is Fords brother, not even sure why.

It seems more likely to me that Bernard is made is the form of Arnold, and therefore Arnold was a black man.

[Fuzz]

I'm still not buying the William=MIB.

We just saw William with Delores at the buried town. Not the in-the-past town with a full church. The same buried town that Ford looked out over with the robot kid, something we have come to accept as the "current" timeline. So how is William not in the past one with the church not destroyed?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm still not buying the William=MIB.

We just saw William with Delores at the buried town. Not the in-the-past town with a full church. The same buried town that Ford looked out over with the robot kid, something we have come to accept as the "current" timeline. So how is William not in the past one with the church not destroyed?

Other than being misdirection, I think it is because William showed up after the Ford/Arnold relationship went to hell.

I just assumed they wiped out the town as part of their fight or something to that effect.

[Fuzz]

I knew this all looked familiar, so I dug up some photos from a trip in 2006. These are a couple from the area, called "Castle Valley" near Moab, Utah.
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[Radio]

I totally thought Ford was going to make a Theresa robot, would've been better than the lame story Ford came up with.

I am thinking the MiB wants Teddy to kill him and that will set Teddy free.

Also, does Ford take over Angela, because she says to Teddy before she stabs him, "Perhaps I can help you with that?" isn't that something Ford says fairly often...maybe I am just imagining it...but it sounded "familiar".

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I knew this all looked familiar, so I dug up some photos from a trip in 2006. These are a couple from the area, called "Castle Valley" near Moab, Utah.

The town that William and Dolores went to was shot at the Vasquez Rocks, which has been famously used in numerous westerns and as alien landscapes in sci-fi shows. It's where Kirk fought the Gorn on Star Trek.

[calumniate]

One theory after watching last episode:

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Bernard killed his son. Possibly Maeve's baby?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by calumniate

One theory after watching last episode:

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Bernard killed his son. Possibly Maeve's baby?

Maeve had a daughter. And I don't think Bernard's son even existed.

[polak]

I'm all for MIB =/= William and have hoped that wasn't the case since day 1 so the buried church thing was one major check against that timeline theory but it is possible that William is MIB and he's just there after the Ford/Arnold incident in the town and William is now going to be told the full story by Delores and set him on this path to play Arnolds game instead of Fords.

Also that "I thought they retired you" line was just too blatant for the hardcore viewers to miss.

Originally Posted by Radio

I totally thought Ford was going to make a Theresa robot, would've been better than the lame story Ford came up with.

I am thinking the MiB wants Teddy to kill him and that will set Teddy free.

Also, does Ford take over Angela, because she says to Teddy before she stabs him, "Perhaps I can help you with that?" isn't that something Ford says fairly often...maybe I am just imagining it...but it sounded "familiar".

This would actually be a really cool twist.

I wonder if this whole Wyatt thing is solely a game between Ford and MIB.

Bah, this show is too good. On the one hand I do wish it was a little clearer to follow but it also leaves you craving answers which makes it more enjoyable.

Lets just hope they wrap up this season nicely and don't make the cliffhanger to big. Mr Robot Season 2 also had so many different storylines and nuances building near the end of its season and then it completely dropped the ball in its finale, so badly that I'd say it erased all of the goodwill it built with fans to that point.

[GGG]

I think the dispute between Ford and Arnold is Ford wants to be A god whereas Arnold wanted to be a creator. Arnold wanted his robots to gain consciousness whereas Ford wants an army he controls without them knowing.