CPS Amber Alert Issued: Tue Jul 12 1:21 AM 2016 - Now Cancelled For Unhappy Reasons

[4X4]

Originally Posted by nik-

States something along those lines here

That is not anywhere close to saying that she's "on her third dude in a row with ties to gangs in prostitution". Unbelievable that this kind of crap can get posted here.

Originally Posted by Delgar

Your post 355 is at least as speculative.

The CDC paste must be really screwing with your head, dude. I was not speculating. I was deflecting a completely asinine accusation from a classless poster that wants to pin it on her that she and her little girl are dead.

[Acey]

It hasn't been explicitly stated that Downey had any romantic involvement with Sara though, has it? So that'd only technically be 2 gang members she dated. Seems unwise but I agree that without knowing more details about any of these relationships there's no point in laying blame. At the very least, she certainly seemed the type of mother that would do absolutely nothing that would ever come close to intentionally jeopardizing the safety of her daughter.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by 4X4

That is not anywhere close to saying that she's "on her third dude in a row with ties to gangs in prostitution". Unbelievable that this kind of crap can get posted here.



The CDC paste must be really screwing with your head, dude. I was not speculating. I was deflecting a completely asinine accusation from a classless poster that wants to pin it on her that she and her little girl are dead.

I didn't take his post that way. The mother and child are innocent victims, at the same time, the mother's web of relationships seems to have included some very bad dudes. This was not some random killing I think that's clear despite little information. That she had these people in her life may well have been something she could not get away from, but it does make one think, how do you get tied up with these kinds of people?

The uncle and aunt from the press conference seemed to be nice people, she had that going for her. I wonder about the rest of her family and the support she had. It is legitimate to wonder why these other bad people were also in her life.

[Resolute 14]

In fairness, Delgar, nieuwy-89's post was written from very high up their ivory tower. 4x4's interpretation of it wasn't exactly a stretch.

[calgaryblood]

Funny that when Douglas Garland killed little Nathan O'Brien nobody was victim blaming the grandparents despite Garland having a criminal past that is worse than Edward Downey. Nobody was asking how the grandpa got associated with a career criminal.

[albertGQ]

I work PT on weekends at the airport where Sarah works (but a different unit). Apparently she was found with her work uniform on so she was murdered Monday morning, not Sunday night (she has weekends off). She had a 10am shift and she's never late. So would guess the murder probably happended around 9am give or take. A lot of my coworkers know her and Taliya. management is offering counselling. So sad.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Funny that when Douglas Garland killed little Nathan O'Brien nobody was victim blaming the grandparents despite Garland having a criminal past that is worse than Edward Downey. Nobody was asking how the grandpa got associated with a career criminal.

I think there was some discussion here about how the grandfather could have been associated with Garland and his family through previous business ventures. On other forums there was a lot digging being done to unearth their connections because it didn't appear to be a random attack on the grandparents.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Funny that when Douglas Garland killed little Nathan O'Brien nobody was victim blaming the grandparents despite Garland having a criminal past that is worse than Edward Downey. Nobody was asking how the grandpa got associated with a career criminal.

You should re-read that thread.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Funny that when Douglas Garland killed little Nathan O'Brien nobody was victim blaming the grandparents despite Garland having a criminal past that is worse than Edward Downey. Nobody was asking how the grandpa got associated with a career criminal.

Seems odd that a dude with a 2015 join date would know what the board's response was to something that happened two years ago. Let me guess, longtime lurker?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Seems odd that a dude with a 2015 join date would know what the board's response was to something that happened two years ago. Let me guess, longtime lurker?

Lol. You realize this board is public right?

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Seems odd that a dude with a 2015 join date would know what the board's response was to something that happened two years ago. Let me guess, longtime lurker?

Yeah because victim blaming is only happening on one Internet message board. Where did I say I was talking about CP? There has been a lot of people partially blaming the mother for her associations with this murderer which is complete BS. I'd love to see someone point to anything that suggests people were doing the same with Garland who was a career criminal. I followed that case closely and there wasn't anything close to the victim blaming that's going on here.

[Slava]

I haven't seen any victim blaming though? If anything I see a lot of people (my self included) who just feel terrible about this situation and moreso for the innocent little girl who ended up dead. I think that people assume that the mother had some kind of involvement with seedy characters and that might lead to an explanation of why she was killed (but clearly doesn't justify that or make it any less horrible). The daughter seems to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time sort of thing, and its just incredibly sad.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Slava

I haven't seen any victim blaming though? If anything I see a lot of people (my self included) who just feel terrible about this situation and moreso for the innocent little girl who ended up dead. I think that people assume that the mother had some kind of involvement with seedy characters and that might lead to an explanation of why she was killed (but clearly doesn't justify that or make it any less horrible). The daughter seems to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time sort of thing, and its just incredibly sad.

Posts 354 and 356 for your first point.

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by Slava

I haven't seen any victim blaming though? If anything I see a lot of people (my self included) who just feel terrible about this situation and moreso for the innocent little girl who ended up dead. I think that people assume that the mother had some kind of involvement with seedy characters and that might lead to an explanation of why she was killed (but clearly doesn't justify that or make it any less horrible). The daughter seems to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time sort of thing, and its just incredibly sad.

Well said. No one is implying that she brought it on herself. When tragedies like this happen we all ask the question "why?". Unfortunately, there are rarely any easy answers.

[CroFlames]

The wagons at the chuck wagon races over the past couple of nights had a ribbon painted on the sides in remembrance of the little girl who was tragically taken.

Les McIntyre actually choked up over the loudspeaker when he explained the ribbon on Friday night.

Just another reason I love these cowboys. Great humans.

[FlameOhutman]

With the Nathan o Brian case happening a block a away from me and with me growing up with Sara up until our age of 23ish I have been following both cases.

I believe there is a thread on cp regarding the criminals that the grandparents were. White collar vs blue collar. I am also not referring to the association of garland.

[afc wimbledon]

I have worked with a lot of gangsters over the years, bad things happen to them and their families. It's not victim blaming to point this out, quite the contrary it might just convince some other girlfriend or parent that they need to cut their gangster boyfriend or son out of their life, that would be a good thing.

[calgaryblood]

So it has been confirmed that the mother was working as an escort and the speculation is the killings were because of "debt".

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/exc...hter-1.3012717

Who kills a five year old in the process? Scumbag.

[Aeneas]

I just feel awful that she got to that point where this was her option. So sad.

I am so sad for both young women. Almost 100% of anything I do for charity or give to charity relates to cancer. I would like to rededicate my small efforts and charitable donations in this area.

Single women with children. I can only imagine the choices some women are faced with when there seem to be no other way out.

I am a little drunk and shouldn't be posting in this thread. I want to help someone else though. Again, just so sad for them.

[taco.vidal]

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/exclusive-...hter-1.3012717

Baillie was working at an airport restaurant, scraping by. Court documents revealed she was making just over $19,000 a year. Those same documents show Taliyah's father, Colin Marsman, was falling behind on child support payments. Records show he owed Baillie over $8,000 in March.

CTV spoke with Marsman who says he paid her $5,000 in arrears by the time the pair was back in court on July 7th, just days before Baillie was killed.

Now, we've learned Baillie found another, potentially dangerous way to make ends meet. Calgary police sources confirm the 34-year-old was working as an escort.

The man facing two counts of first-degree murder in relation to their deaths has a lengthy criminal past. Downey's troubles started in the early 1980s in Halifax, continuing here in Calgary.

He's been convicted of abetting prostitution, cocaine trafficking and weapons offences. The latter, resulting in a four year prison sentence. In 2008, a parole board denied Downey's requests, twice, citing their belief he was a high-risk to reoffend. The board supported its stance with evidence exhibiting Downey's involvement in the sex trade as an alleged pimp. Downey was eventually released on parole after two years served.

Now, multiple police sources have confirmed Downey has ties to the East Coast gang; North Preston's Finest. A group often associated with the sex industry.

CTV spoke with sex workers in Calgary who say they knew Baillie. One, claiming she 'wanted out of the relationship with Downey' adding 'the cost can be deadly if you want out'.

Leslie Hill with Calgary's support services for people in the sex industry says those dangers are very real. "If you were trying to leave your pimp and go out as a free agent, you would have to be careful not just around that person but all the people associated with them."

Multiple police sources say they believe the motive behind the killings to be 'debt', but wouldn't elaborate.

We reached out to Taliyah's father who asked for 'time to process the new information'. Baillie's family asked for privacy saying details will continue to emerge as the case moves to trial.

Downey's lawyer, Hersh Wolch, says he is still waiting on evidence and has no knowledge of the details in our story.

Downey's case will be back in court on August 24.

Good old Hersh Wolch is on the case. I hadnt heard that name in a while. I wasnt sure he was still alive. Google says he is 75 years old.