*SPOILER DISCUSSION* Star Wars The Force Awakens *POST HERE AFTER SEEING THE MOVIE*

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by robaur

Darth Maul was ####ing bad ass! As a kid, I was scared of him.

Kylo Ren looks like a ##### ass bitch who I would slap around on Friday and twice on Saturday. I went with a group of 6 people and they all felt the same way. What good is a villain if you think you could probably #### kick him. Character development be damned. Cut the emo crap out.

Spoiler!

[Coach]

Originally Posted by robaur

You're so cool by making this typical PC comment. Like so cool man. So modern. So advanced. Super cool.

The premise of my post was first mentioned by my girlfriend. Yes, a woman. She didn't think Star Wars was going the Hunger Games model, and then just dismissed it as a marketing ploy to get a more female demographic interested in Star Wars. All this time, for the past 35 years, Star Wars has been a male dominated universe so this is a drastic change.

So get off your super cool, modern, advanced, PC high horse.

So do you think they have a female lead just because they wanted a female lead, or because they wanted to sell more toys to little girls?

I'm thinking it's the first one...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MattyC

So do you think they have a female lead just because they wanted a female lead, or because they wanted to sell more toys to little girls?

I'm thinking it's the first one...

Its Disney so it was certainly about selling toys.

[polak]

Who cares that it's a female lead?
I'd rather stare at Rey for 2 hours than another dude anyways.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by GGG

Its Disney so it was certainly about selling toys.

This franchise was about selling toys long before Disney ever got their mitts on it.

[Coach]

Speculation:

So, assuming that Rey is Ren's sister (I'm sticking with that theory until the movies prove me otherwise), could she be the reason he turned to the dark side? He makes a few mentions to Solo not being a good father, that she sees him as a father-figure, and that she "didn't miss much".

Maybe he finds out that they separated them at birth for safety reasons and it is why he becomes enraged at his parents and turns away from the Jedi. maybe Snoke offered a way to find her?

[habernac]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Speculation:

So, assuming that Rey is Ren's sister (I'm sticking with that theory until the movies prove me otherwise), could she be the reason he turned to the dark side? He makes a few mentions to Solo not being a good father, that she sees him as a father-figure, and that she "didn't miss much".

Maybe he finds out that they separated them at birth for safety reasons and it is why he becomes enraged at his parents and turns away from the Jedi. maybe Snoke offered a way to find her?

the twin thing all over again?

[scotty2hotty]

Surprisingly, this 'After Viewing' thread is starting to put a dark cloud on what was a great film. I really enjoyed it ... but man ... some of you guys really suck the joy out of things.

I think I'm going to stick to the hope and anticipation of the 'Pre-Viewing' thread for a while.

Looking forward to catching the movie a second time!

And yes, I won't let the door hit me on the way out ....

[nik-]

Originally Posted by habernac

the twin thing all over again?

In the EU Han and Leia had twins, but I don't know if the new movies are using any of the EU at all. I think they had boy and girl twins and an son.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by MattyC

So do you think they have a female lead just because they wanted a female lead, or because they wanted to sell more toys to little girls?

I'm thinking it's the first one...

It's all about the money. Definitely selling more toys, expanding their fan base = more profits. While the guys are still going to watch it cuz its Star Wars and tbh...Daisey Ridley is quite easy to look at...works both ways for them. From a business POV, it's smart as hell having a female lead.

Look at hunger games....what keeps most men hooked is that Jennifer Lawrence is a bombshell.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

Surprisingly, this 'After Viewing' thread is starting to put a dark cloud on what was a great film. I really enjoyed it ... but man ... some of you guys really suck the joy out of things.

I think I'm going to stick to the hope and anticipation of the 'Pre-Viewing' thread for a while.

Looking forward to catching the movie a second time!

And yes, I won't let the door hit me on the way out ....

Yeah lots of nit-picking at small elements of what was a very good movie overall.

Guess that goes with the territory when making a Star Wars movie.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by habernac

the twin thing all over again?

The seeming "rehash" of it wouldn't really bother me for a couple reasons:

A) Twins are hereditary, it wouldn't exactly be a crazy coincidence that twins have twins.

B) While they obviously mention it in the original trilogy, they don't really explore the twin thing between Luke and Leia at all in the movies. It mostly just seems like a reason why Leia and Luke don't have any romantic tension.

I think Lucas always meant to explore Leia's force sensitivity much deeper ("No. There is another.") but for some reason he never did. Or maybe figured he would explore it further in films that never actually happened. But the implications of the offspring of Anakin being twins and having powerful force abilities was never really explored. I wouldn't mind seeing it approached here and if that could truly bring a "balance".

So while, yes, they are twins, again! That doesn't mean that anything else has to be even remotely similar.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by nik-

In the EU Han and Leia had twins, but I don't know if the new movies are using any of the EU at all. I think they had boy and girl twins and an son.

Jacen and Jaina. Surprisingly I remember that from years ago as a kid when i read a book starring them.

That said, if you follow the canon of some of that literature, then Kylo Ren is very much (if not exactly) Jacen.

[GGG]

If if Rey is there daughter why is their no recognition from Han or Leia.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by robaur

Kylo Ren looks like a malnourished Darth Vader wannabe. It's almost as if he decided to go to Toys R Us and buy a Halloween costume.

Was getting into the character when he had his mask on but when he took it off...I lost all "fear" that you're supposed to have for a a lead villain. Looked like a prepubescent boy with daddy issues.

Don't forget that he got his ass beat by a chick who picked up the lightsaber for the first time. Like seriously? The guy has been training his whole life and has been guided by Luke Skywalker....is also his blood...but gets his ass beat by someone in their first lightsaber duel....and we, as audience members, are supposed to fear this villain? LOL!

I'm actually surprised nobody has addressed this post yet.

Up until Kylo had killed Han Solo he arguably still had some good in him, you weren't supposed to fear him you were supposed to see his transition to the dark side in this film.

Also I really doubt that was her first lightsaber duel. My guess is she was one of the Jedi Luke was training previously.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

Seriously, why the hell not?

Go drag your knuckles back to your cave and evolve through an ice age or two...

Well you certainly proved you've evolved beyond primal and simplistic rage based responses.

[Ozy_Flame]

It was awesome how Josh Groban removed his mask to fight Rey, I think it helped with his character.

[CroFlames]

My theory is Rey was just an exceptionally gifted force user that Luke recognized when she was young, then hid her on Jakku from Ren & others in the care of "an old friend", Max von Sydow. After his Jedi academy failed and he unknowingly trained the next Sith/dark leader, Luke exiled himself like Yoda did after his failure against old Palps. His hope was the the youngling that he hid away on Jakku would one day find him and he would train her. He hid himself away so that she would need to prove she is worthy by finding him. I also believe Snoke knows this, and that's why he told Hux to bring Ren to him to complete his training. Episode 8 will be an epic showdown between two highly trained force users.

Of course, the only way this theory holds water is if Luke wiped her memory, or at least blocked any memory of him and the academy, then set her up with a foster family. Not sure if this is possible or even morally correct by Jedi standards, so we definitely need an uber nerd to clarify. Probably CC.

The only other possibility with that theory is that Luke recognized her force ability while she was a baby/toddler, and Ren when on his attack at the same time. He hides her away, and she has no memory because she was too young at the time.

In my world, Luke is the next Yoda so he would have remained strictly adherent to Jedi code of no attachment and no children. That's why I think Rey isn't his child. Furthermore, it would be a little silly for Leia and Han to constantly mention their son, but not their daughter. I don't believe Ray is a Skywalker.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by jg13

I'm actually surprised nobody has addressed this post yet.

Up until Kylo had killed Han Solo he arguably still had some good in him, you weren't supposed to fear him you were supposed to see his transition to the dark side in this film.

Also I really doubt that was her first lightsaber duel. My guess is she was one of the Jedi Luke was training previously.

My guess is that Kylo will also require some cybernetic enhancements after taking that blaster shot to the torso. He may not be able to remove the mask next time.

[OutOfTheCube]

I like how no one seems to know Max von Sydow's characters name, but 'Max von Sydow' is a perfectly acceptable Star Wars name anyways so it doesn't matter.