[Rumour] Travis Hamonic requests trade. Western Canada preferred destination

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Completely disagree with him but Eric Francis thinks both teams would be happy with a Wideman/Hamonic swap

http://m.calgarysun.com/2015/11/19/t...calgary-flames

Agreed, if the Isles are happy with that return, this deal would have been done months ago.

It feels like, given the Islanders desire for an equivalent NHL defenseman in return, this will need to be a much larger package, as why would any team make a trade of this magnitude, as basically a lateral move. The Dumba one in particular. Pretty even, in my opinion, but why bother, unless the Wild is somehow convinced that Dumba has peaked.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by adc

I don't think we should target him either because he would cost way too much and as you said we are pretty good at center with Monahan and Bennett, although I would gladly move one of Strome or Bennett to the wing if we were to add him.

I don't have the confidence that Bennett will for sure be better than him. They both have high end offensive skill and both have impress resumes so far. I would bet on Bennett being better but would say at best it's 60/40 right now not sure how it is definite for you outside of homerism.

Not homerism, I just have seen a lot of OHL hockey over the years and saw both players many times and Bennett just has a better tool box. If Bennett was on the Isle and we had Strome I would say the exact same thing. Bennett may have slipped to #4 in his draft but remember ISS had him #1.

[sureLoss]

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
McKenzie was asked which team he thought was most likely to land Travis Hamonic. #Isles #NHLJets #Oilers 1/4

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
McKenzie: #NHLJets have the assets, but not sure how fit would work. Has to be some way to make it work. #Isles 2/4

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
McKenzie: “I think Edmonton has a stronger desire for the player. I just don’t think they have the fit right now.” #Oilers #Isles 3/4

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
McKenzie: “Edmonton might want it more than anybody else right now.” #Oilers #NHLJets #Isles #Hamonic 4/4

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Was not aware he could play RW. Still, the cost to acquire would be too high don't you think?

Probably quite a bit, but then again, they didn't get much for Nino Niederreiter.

[automaton 3]

IMO the Jets and Wild would be better off just keeping the likes of Trouba and Dumba, if that is the ask.

[Vinny01]

I think if the Islanders would take pending UFA Byfuglien it would get done but I don't see the islanders wanting to pay Buff 7x7 or whatever he will want.

Oilers, and Jets should not part with Nurse or Trouba. Those are players that should remain with their teams. I would love if the Oul got desperate and traded Nurse.

Flames really only have Russell, Wideman or both. Don't see the fit for the Islbders there but would be amazing for Calgary

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Back on topic. Calgary isn't getting Hamonic. If they do, I'll eat a big plate of delicious food.

That's pretty bold. I demand a Youtube video of you eating delicious food if this trade happens.

[Bourque's Twin]

Geographically speaking, Winnipeg, Minnesota, Calgary, and Edmonton make the most sense.

I'm not sure how Vancouver moves him closer to home. Maybe because he can take a direct flight to Winnipeg?

He would be a great addition to the Flames, but I can't see the Flames putting together a competitive trade offer. Hamonic's contract is great value ($3.85 for this year + 4 more years). Trading Wideman has been talked about but he is $2 million more than Hamonic for 1 more year. The Islanders have Strome, Okposo, and Nielsen's contracts coming up. They need to shed salary to sign those guys, so there's no way they trade for Wideman. Russell is a UFA so he doesn't provide much value. Gio, Brodie, and Hamilton are going nowhere. Smid and Engelland aren't valuable enough. I find it highly unlikely that the Flames trade their first round pick this year. The Flames have no forwards they would be willing to trade that would crack the Islanders top 9.

The Flames could trade picks and prospects, but I think the Islanders want to win now, and the Jets, Oilers, or Wild can offer them packages to help them win now.

[Vinny01]

What if the Flames ate 50% of Widemans cap hit and included a prospect and 2nd?

[adc]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What if the Flames ate 50% of Widemans cap hit and included a prospect and 2nd?

That's still a crappy deal for the Islanders.

Why do they want marginal prospects that might never make the league (probably won't in a meaningful role) when they are in a win now mode and have a fairly young roster with a pretty good prospect base>

[Poe969]

See if Russell would want to sign an extension with the islanders, see how much he'd want. Say it's 5 mil for 3 years, well the Flames sign him to that extension then trade him to the islanders at 50% retained. The isles get 3 years of Russell at a great cap hit, Russell gets the contract he wants and the Flames get Hamonic. Flames might have to throw in Hudler or something though.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Poe969

See if Russell would want to sign an extension with the islanders, see how much he'd want. Say it's 5 mil for 3 years, well the Flames sign him to that extension then trade him to the islanders at 50% retained. The isles get 3 years of Russell at a great cap hit, Russell gets the contract he wants and the Flames get Hamonic. Flames might have to throw in Hudler or something though.

That's a pretty complex solution that doesn't offer much value to the Islanders. I think the Wild, Jets, and Oilers can offer something more attractive and with more certainty.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by adc

That's still a crappy deal for the Islanders.

Why do they want marginal prospects that might never make the league (probably won't in a meaningful role) when they are in a win now mode and have a fairly young roster with a pretty good prospect base>

It is not like the Flames prospect pool is junk. I don't know if there is a fit trade wise for the Islanders. If he really wants to be on Weatern Canada it hurts Snow's bargaining power and limits the return. I can easily see this stretching into the summer or at least the draft. I don't see teams trading the comparable player 1 for 1 so a package is likely what the islanders will have to settle on. That package needs to include a top 4 Dman but they won't get the comparable player they are looking for

[adc]

The Flames are unable to offer a forward that is better than Barzal, Dal Colle and likely Ho-Sang so at best they are offering the Islanders a guy that would be 4th on their depth chart for prospects. Plus the Isles are already fairly young at the NHL/AHL level- Tavares, Strome, Lee, Nelson, Cisakaz and Bailey all 25 and under with Strome, Beck and Collberg at the AHL level.

That means that any prospect the Flames send is going to be in pretty tough to make the Islanders team in the next 2-3 years.

Defensively they have 7 guys around the NHL level plus Pulock and Mayfield at the AHL level Van Sompel in juniors. So fairly crowded as well.

So I just don't see why they would feel the drop off to a Russell or Wideman is worth adding a prospect that likely doesn't help the team when they are trying to win now.

The fact that he is willing to happily play out this season means there is no pressure on Snow and he can wait until the off-season and with the seasons that Edmonton, Winnipeg and Calgary are currently looking at and with the Central division so tough (Wild) he could be looking at 4 teams with a lot of incentive to make a big move in the off-season.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Poe969

See if Russell would want to sign an extension with the islanders, see how much he'd want. Say it's 5 mil for 3 years, well the Flames sign him to that extension then trade him to the islanders at 50% retained. The isles get 3 years of Russell at a great cap hit, Russell gets the contract he wants and the Flames get Hamonic. Flames might have to throw in Hudler or something though.

As pointed out by Sureloss it's questionable whether or not a team can retain on a contract that hasn't started yet.

[CsInMyBlood]

I understand that Widemans play this year has left a lot to be desired but it seems to me people forget he finished 4th in scoring among defensemen with 56 points last year.

I think he has more value than many believe.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Poe969

See if Russell would want to sign an extension with the islanders, see how much he'd want. Say it's 5 mil for 3 years, well the Flames sign him to that extension then trade him to the islanders at 50% retained. The isles get 3 years of Russell at a great cap hit, Russell gets the contract he wants and the Flames get Hamonic. Flames might have to throw in Hudler or something though.

Congratulations, you just destroy one of the main things that makes Hamonic so valuable - his cap hit for his performance.

Lets ignore the fact that it seems to be a CBA grey area whether or not you can retain salary on contracts that are not in effect yet. (I seriously doubt you can, but I can't find any wording in the CBA that would explicity forbid it)

Russell's next contract will reportedly start at $4mil/year. If Flames retain 50% of Russell's next contract to obtain Hamonic you make Hamonic's effective cap hit to the Flames as $5.857 million +. Then you are also giving them Hudler.

d-core has the following cap hit for next season:
$6.75
$5.75
$5.25
$4.65
$3.5
$2.9
$5.857+

$34.657 million+ in cap space dedicated towards the d-core.

[skudr248]

Edmonton should just trade their first round pick for him, cause we all know their picking #1 again this year

[dash_pinched]

I'm likely in the minority on this, but if BT can get Kris Russell to ink a 3 year deal at $4 million per season, would that be so terrible? His game has definitely turned around in the last couple of weeks.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

The trading Gio talk is so unrealistic IMO
The guy lead the flames to a magical season as Captain, had the Norris wrapped up until his injury and has come back from his injury at below average.
It has been a 20 game sample size vs the 70 or so we saw last year. Perhaps after missing that sort of time it is taking him longer than most to re find his game. I have been as frustrated as everyone when it comes to his play on the ice however trading you Captain who has the full package in terms of on and off the ice for Hamonick is a not a trade the flames consider

Originally Posted by skudr248

Edmonton should just trade their first round pick for him, cause we all know their picking #1 again this year

hahaha! Auston Matthews for Hamonic. That would be awesome!!!