[Rumour] Tallon Actively Shopping 1st Overall Pick in 2014 Draft

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by handgroen

Hackey posted a list in the craig's list thread 4th overall picks since 2000, i thought it might be fun to compare them to the 1st overall picks, to gauge our organization's appetite to move up.

2000: 4th Rostislav Klesla ----1st Rick DiPietro
2001: 4th Stephen Weiss-----1st Ilya Kovalchuk
2002: 4th Joni Pitkanen------1st Rick Nash
2003: 4th Nikolai Zherdev---1st M.A. Fluery
2004: 4th Andrew Ladd------1st Alex Ovechkin
2005: 4th Benoit Pouliot-----1st Sidney Crosby
2006: 4th Nicklas Backstrom-1st Erik Johnson
2007: 4th Thomas Hickey----1st Patrick Kane
2008: 4th Alex Pietrangelo---1st Steven Stamkos
2009: 4th Evander Kane------1st John Tavares
2010: 4th Ryan Johansen-----1st Taylor Hall
2011: 4th Adam Larsson-----1st Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012: 4th Griffin Reinhart---1st Nail Yakupov
2013: 4th Seth Jones----------1st Nathan MacKinnon

So it looks like you still need to make the right pick at 1st overall, but if our scouting staff sees the man they want, they'de be wise to try to move up and pick him.
I may be in the minority but i hope we trade the 4th+ for 1st overall.

The Ovechkins, Crosbys, Stamkos' and MacKinnons aren't a function of good scouting, they are a function of there being a very special player available that year.

As has been pointed out several times, the 1st overall is a different entity each year. And this year there is no such beast available as there was in some of those years.

The fact that Crosby was available once does not change the fact that there is little to choose from between the top 5 this year.

[Young-Sneezy]

Originally Posted by 5by5

If we could get #1 and keep #4 it would leap frog our rebuild exponentially.

1. Sign Cammy regardless. Then trade him + Wideman + #35 pick for first overall.

2. If Cammy no wanna go to FLA then do what it takes to Geterdone.
Stajan, Wideman, Jones, Byron, Butler, Hanowski, or all of em + #35 pick. I would even retain some salary. We need the roster slots and this would get rid of some of the Feister stink still left on the team too.

If we drafted Ekblad and Sam 1 or 2, sign Niskanen or Orpik (UFA) we would be standing of a very good foundation going forward. Then we could try to sign, Vrbata or Callahan and Stastny or ROR. Look out. We got a team again.

Trading Sven or TJ is just plain stupid. Why set the rebuild back? It amazes me to see how easy it is for peeps to throw around young proven players for draft picks. Fact is you are trading a commodity that has beat the odds by just making to the show in the first place. Ya think TJ Brodies grow on trees? Trading up from 4 to 1 is pointless. We should be trying for the pick outright.

All i see is green text, man.

Green. Text.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Jets do not have room for Morrissey and Enstrom on Defense... both are not gritty. Enstrom somehow got a big long term deal which is Chevaldayoff's first big mistake as Jet's GM.

Bufuglien was a disaster as a D man and the Jets played much better as a team with him at forward and Pardy getting his minutes on Defense.

Bogosian is a big ???? as he has been banged up almost every year but has been their top defenseman for stretches of time...... Trouba has Norris potential.

Kane is just too good to trade....even up for Ekblad. There has to be some pressure on the Jets to make the playoffs and Ekblad doesn't help them for a year or two.


The big piece that the Jets have is Burmistrov who hated playing for Noel and went to the KHL. He is a RFA who wants to get back to the NHL. Him and the Jet's #9 might get them Ekblad or if he signs with them and plays somewhat close to his potential for Maurice....the Jets can wait for Bogosian and Trouba.

Burmistrov is a #8 draft pick and if he plays in the NHL next year will be better than the top guys picked this year's draft for at least a year or 2.

He had 20 NHL goals by the time he was 20 years old playing for a bad team.

You are saying Burmisteov has more value than Bogosian?

Also Burmistrov is not the difference between the 9th pick and the 1st pick.

My buddy who is a Jets fan thinks they want Ekblad really badly because the Hawerchuck/Colts/Jets connection. I could see them moving Kane for the pick but other pieces need to be added to balance out the deal I just don't see it one for one

[ForeverFlameFan]

I just don't see Florida trading their pick unless someone really overpays for Ekblad.

Their defense needs some work and Ekblad can be a big portion of making their defense better.

[DoubleF]

Ooo, I want to play crazy trade idea too...

1. Ask Florida to draft Sam Reinhart. Convince them that it's better to use Sam as a piece for us. Offer (Vets + prospect?)
2. Go shop Griffin Reinhart. OR better yet, get Buffalo to shop him and buy off Buffalo with (Prospect + 4th?).

We trade pieces and cash for Sam Reinhart since it's probably an easier trade.
We figure out a way to Grab Griffin Reinhart from Buffalo using prospects + 4th and telling them they will be able to draft Ekblad (still keep D-Man) since Florida is drafting Sam AND will grab some talented forward on 4th.

Heck, we might even be able to move out Sam from Panthers using the 4th because we can convince Buffalo Edmonton and Winnipeg will fight tooth and claw for him?

We spin a Reinhart Symphony AND get ourselves a nice sized D-Man in Griffin. This gives us the "#1 pick" with no BPA scrutiny, no Ekblad, but Griffin Reinhart instead. We "traded up", grabbed a Sam, but bypassed Ekblad for someone a bit more NHL ready?

We would benefit Buffalo and Panthers by giving them pieces and advice and changing nothing for Edmonton. We don't really come out on top in the cupboard number wise, but we shuffle players with more potential synergies. We leave the 3 Reinharts to develop in the minors... or pull Griffin out right away and develop him.

Crazy trade crazy enough?

Sounds like we get good synergy pieces and pay slight premium
Florida is meh outcome
Buffalo comes out on top

/trade collapses

[Jacks]

^^^^^^
99% sure that:
You can't trade players and/or prospects to a team to get them to draft a certain player.
You can't include cash in a trade.
Buffalo isn't going to do a trade to a 3rd party team based on a promise that Florida won't draft Ekblad.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Jacks

^^^^^^
99% sure that:
You can't trade players and/or prospects to a team to get them to draft a certain player.
You can't include cash in a trade.
Buffalo isn't going to do a trade to a 3rd party team based on a promise that Florida won't draft Ekblad.

Err... Something like trade #1 for Vets, retain salary (AKA cash) and grab Sam Reinhart to synergize with Max?
Trade #4 pick to NYI for Griffin? (EDITED)

I have no idea... back to the couch I go.

[flamesfan1297]

Really, you can't use cash in a trade? When was this rule put into place?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He had 20 NHL goals by the time he was 20 years old playing for a bad team.

I like how you do your math to try and bolster your argument.

Put another way, he has 23 goals over 2.5 seasons. 58 points in 194 games. He got mad at the coach and picked up his ball and went home.

At the moment he's a cross between Zherdev and Filatov. Certainly not worth moving up 8 spots to #1.

[saskflames69]

Originally Posted by flamesfan1297

Really, you can't use cash in a trade? When was this rule put into place?

Not sure but I'd imagine it was around the time the LA Kings purchased some guy for $15 million and a few draft picks.

Teams can trade for future considerations but they must come in the form of draft picks or players.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by flamesfan1297

Really, you can't use cash in a trade? When was this rule put into place?

The post 04' lockout CBA.

[UKflames]

I am in the camp that wants us to try and pry the #1 pick from Florida but also keep our own pick at #4, unfortunately I cannot see this happening but one can wish, hope, dream.

[getbak]

From Friedman's 30 Thoughts (http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hoc...gh-waters.html)...

Florida GM Dale Tallon said on Prime Time Sports last week that it's no guarantee the Panthers keep the first-overall selection in June. In a follow-up conversation, he was asked how far down the team would be willing to move. "We'll make the final decision in our scouting meetings, but probably between seven and 10," he said. What would it take for another team to get the top selection? "Also to be determined, but probably a young player who can help us."

[Ring of Fire]

Florida GM Dale Tallon said on Prime Time Sports last week that it's no guarantee the Panthers keep the first-overall selection in June. In a follow-up conversation, he was asked how far down the team would be willing to move. "We'll make the final decision in our scouting meetings, but probably between seven and 10," he said. What would it take for another team to get the top selection? "Also to be determined, but probably a young player who can help us."

It looks to me like Tallon doesn't see a clear number 1. I bet he's looking at Ehlers and would be very pleased to pick up some assets and still draft the guy he likes.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Ooo, I want to play crazy trade idea too...

1. Ask Florida to draft Sam Reinhart. Convince them that it's better to use Sam as a piece for us. Offer (Vets + prospect?)
2. Go shop Griffin Reinhart. OR better yet, get Buffalo to shop him and buy off Buffalo with (Prospect + 4th?).

We trade pieces and cash for Sam Reinhart since it's probably an easier trade.
We figure out a way to Grab Griffin Reinhart from Buffalo using prospects + 4th and telling them they will be able to draft Ekblad (still keep D-Man) since Florida is drafting Sam AND will grab some talented forward on 4th.

Heck, we might even be able to move out Sam from Panthers using the 4th because we can convince Buffalo Edmonton and Winnipeg will fight tooth and claw for him?

We spin a Reinhart Symphony AND get ourselves a nice sized D-Man in Griffin. This gives us the "#1 pick" with no BPA scrutiny, no Ekblad, but Griffin Reinhart instead. We "traded up", grabbed a Sam, but bypassed Ekblad for someone a bit more NHL ready?

We would benefit Buffalo and Panthers by giving them pieces and advice and changing nothing for Edmonton. We don't really come out on top in the cupboard number wise, but we shuffle players with more potential synergies. We leave the 3 Reinharts to develop in the minors... or pull Griffin out right away and develop him.

Crazy trade crazy enough?

Sounds like we get good synergy pieces and pay slight premium
Florida is meh outcome
Buffalo comes out on top

/trade collapses

All this Griffin Reinhart talk but no mention of the Islanders?

[bubbsy]

Does this point to at least one nhl team thinking the top end talent is lacking this year, and willing to trade down?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Ring of Fire

It looks to me like Tallon doesn't see a clear number 1. I bet he's looking at Ehlers and would be very pleased to pick up some assets and still draft the guy he likes.

Sounds like they've got at least 5-6 guys they really like including a couple guys they think might be available after 6. Ritchie? Nylander? Ehlers? Virtanen? All possibilities along with the obvious 5 names

Perhaps the price to trade up from #4 won't be as big as some think it will be. Hopefully Treliving and/or Burke have a good relationship with Tallon and he wants something we can part with.

Ekblad fits our needs like a glove IMO. But if we can't trade up we're still in a great position.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by handgroen

Hackey posted a list in the craig's list thread 4th overall picks since 2000, i thought it might be fun to compare them to the 1st overall picks, to gauge our organization's appetite to move up.

2000: 4th Rostislav Klesla ----1st Rick DiPietro
2001: 4th Stephen Weiss-----1st Ilya Kovalchuk
2002: 4th Joni Pitkanen------1st Rick Nash
2003: 4th Nikolai Zherdev---1st M.A. Fluery
2004: 4th Andrew Ladd------1st Alex Ovechkin
2005: 4th Benoit Pouliot-----1st Sidney Crosby
2006: 4th Nicklas Backstrom-1st Erik Johnson
2007: 4th Thomas Hickey----1st Patrick Kane
2008: 4th Alex Pietrangelo---1st Steven Stamkos
2009: 4th Evander Kane------1st John Tavares
2010: 4th Ryan Johansen-----1st Taylor Hall
2011: 4th Adam Larsson-----1st Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012: 4th Griffin Reinhart---1st Nail Yakupov
2013: 4th Seth Jones----------1st Nathan MacKinnon

So it looks like you still need to make the right pick at 1st overall, but if our scouting staff sees the man they want, they'de be wise to try to move up and pick him.
I may be in the minority but i hope we trade the 4th+ for 1st overall.

Though some drafts are obviously stronger then others, you would like to think y are getting more of a sure thing/ better player at #4.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Does this point to at least one nhl team thinking the top end talent is lacking this year, and willing to trade down?

I don't think so. Just a GM doing due diligence gauging the value of the pick and seeing what's out there for interest. They will in all likelihood keep the pick and use it on Ekblad.

[kn]

Just as I was resigned to being satisfied at four, this latest comment from Tallon only serves to get my hopes up.