[News] Mike Gillis fired. Linden named President. of Hockey Ops

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Considering 6th round picks pan out far, far, farrrrrr less often than 1st and 2nd round picks, then, no I'd not agree with you that it is a silly way of putting it.

You can say with far more certainty that trading Backlund for a 6th is a fail (unless a minor miracle comes of it)

than saying Jbo for a 1st, 2nd, and Cundari was a fail only a year after the trade.

I think its fairly obvious no, then, and even before he was traded and the rumours were out, that a late 1st, 2nd a Cundari is not very good for a No 1 D. Even if message board hockey fans didn't like said player.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Why? Knight was up here and looked nothing like an NHL player.

He's a lot closer then your making it seem.

A random 4th round pick that wont play in the NHL for likely 5+ if they ever make for a a prospect like Knight is a huge win.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Why? Knight was up here and looked nothing like an NHL player.

Yeah, 7 games in and we can pretty much write him off.

Might as well go with that 4th rounder that has less than a 10% chance of playing in the NHL.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

They were both main cogs on Team Canada... Weber is better... but its not a vast difference.

I saw Bouwmeester as easily replaceable and only there to keep his chemistry with Pietrangelo. I think there is a big gap between Canada's top 3 D men and the bottom 3 guys and I slot Bouwmeester in the 6th hole. Excellent player but nowhere near elite or franchise.

Weber or Doughty are the best defensemen in the world. Bouwmeester is not the best defensemen on his team.

Throwing in the 2nd for for Berra the return for Bouwmeester looks very promising.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Considering 6th round picks pan out far, far, farrrrrr less often than 1st and 2nd round picks, then, no I'd not agree with you that it is a silly way of putting it.

You can say with far more certainty that trading Backlund for a 6th is a fail (unless a minor miracle comes of it)

than saying Jbo for a 1st, 2nd, and Cundari was a fail only a year after the trade.

The 2nd has nothing to do with Feaster. Burke pulled a rabbit out of his hat. Feaster would have traded Berra two weeks before the deadline for a 4th or 5th. Burke waited out Colorado and got that 2nd. I would wager dollars that Feaster would not have gotten anywhere near that return for Berra.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

You know its funny... in the other thread about the 2013/14 NHL surprised, the common names were:

Giordano - Darryl signed UFA out of junior
Backlund - Darryl pick
Brodie - Darryl pick

Ramo - Feaster trade (and pick too I guess, Tampa)
Monohan - Feaster pick

Worst prospect pool... right? Other prospects who have played well for the Flames this year, who were part of this terrible prospect pool that were Darryl picks include Ortio, Bouma and Reinhart. I didn't include Ferland because he did not play.

Feaster did some good things. But critisism comes with the job, I wouldn't get too sensative about it. I will give him Russel for a 5th and the Erixon trade though... those 2 are probably his 2 biggest wins. I will also say Hudler was a big win too, loved the signing since day 1.

Calgary had the worst prospect pool 3 or 4 years ago and that's hardly debatable. Go back and look at the prospect pool back then. Ryan Howse was a top 5 prospect in the organization, it was that shallow of a prospect pool.

And with the "young guys stepping into the lineup", I hardly talked about Giordano, Brodie and Backlund who were all established NHL players already. Monahan, Colborne, Byron, Wotherspoon, Granlund, Sven, Billins, Agostino, Hanowski, Knight, Cundari ... all brought in by Feaster.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by strombad

Yeah, 7 games in and we can pretty much write him off.

Might as well go with that 4th rounder that has less than a 10% chance of playing in the NHL.

Do you think Knight has more than a 10% chance of being an NHL regular?

I would take the 2% chance that you get a Brodie or whoever in the 4th round than a guy who looks likely to have Ben Street's career.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Do you think Knight has more than a 10% chance of being an NHL regular?

Yes, quite easily.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Do you think Knight has more than a 10% chance of being an NHL regular?

Without question.

He's 23 years old... this is his first pro season.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Do you think Knight has more than a 10% chance of being an NHL regular?

I would take the 2% chance that you get a Brodie or whoever in the 4th round than a guy who looks likely to have Ben Street's career.

C'mon you're being ridiculous.

Knight/Full Season as a pro < Solid season by a freshman at Michigan.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Fire

Feaster did some good and some bad but the O'Reilly fiasco was a major embarrassment to the organization. Don't forget narrowly avoiding a terrible Brad Richards contract. He lost a lot of credibility after those two attempted moves.

Don't be so quick to negate the fact that about 4 other teams offer sheeted ROR during the whole debacle. The only reason Feaster/the Flames got the rap for it was because ROR signed theirs out of the bunch. The league would have settled the matter based on hazy wording in the CBA.

Also, I don't base my judgments on what could have happened. Life is too short.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by devo22

Calgary had the worst prospect pool 3 or 4 years ago and that's hardly debatable. Go back and look at the prospect pool back then. Ryan Howse was a top 5 prospect in the organization, it was that shallow of a prospect pool.

And with the "young guys stepping into the lineup", I hardly talked about Giordano, Brodie and Backlund who were all established NHL players already. Monahan, Colborne, Byron, Wotherspoon, Granlund, Sven, Billins, Agostino, Hanowski, Knight, Cundari ... all brought in by Feaster.

Really? Giordano I'll give you... but really?

As for the rest... I bolded guys I will give Feaster credit for..... notably that Erixon trade was a big win, and I have already said that in the previous 2 posts I made. Monahan sure, a 6th round pick in a deep draft was a pretty easy choice, but sure its still a great pick. Byron is a great move, though Regehr did net three 2nd round picks. But Byron is a fun player to cheer for, for sure. Colburne I won't comment on because I still think that has Burke's finger prints all over it, but thats discussion isn't worth the energy. Billins, Knight and Cundari.... we'll see, maybe you are a lot higher on those 3 then I am.

[djsFlames]

Still, Poirier.

Coming from a struggling organization after a few mediocre at best years, I never expected Jbo to get much in return, a 30 game span of improved hockey wasn't going to change all that. I don't know what everyone else was expecting.

You think someone was going to give up two 1sts (in the deepest draft since '03), and a high end prospect for J freaking Bo?

It wasn't a great return, but it was acceptable. At least as it appears right now. And from an organization standpoint, I'll be counting the 2nd returned for Berra in the equation.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The 2nd has nothing to do with Feaster. Burke pulled a rabbit out of his hat. Feaster would have traded Berra two weeks before the deadline for a 4th or 5th. Burke waited out Colorado and got that 2nd. I would wager dollars that Feaster would not have gotten anywhere near that return for Berra.

Or Burke was just doing his job, and us Flames fans saw a result we weren't used to seeing.

No magic here. Burke is better at playing negotiator and GM than Feaster. Plain and simple.

[Galakanokis]

I should add there is nothing to my early morning webshow/interview here. It is all Pat Quinn and cronies doing bits for the ring of honor ceremony on Sunday. I guess we find out more tomorrow.

Any Van Flames fans coming out to the game on Sunday?

[hwy19man]

Tortorella being the manager would be fun to watch.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Do you think Knight has more than a 10% chance of being an NHL regular?

I would take the 2% chance that you get a Brodie or whoever in the 4th round than a guy who looks likely to have Ben Street's career.

Uh yeah.
I don't like the whole "Do you even watch the games" adage, but I'm tempted here.

Better than 10%? Yeah, I'm 100% sure it's more than 10%. You're on your own if you don't think so.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by strombad

Uh yeah.
I don't like the whole "Do you even watch the games" adage, but I'm tempted here.

Better than 10%? Yeah, I'm 100% sure it's more than 10%. You're on your own if you don't think so.

I think people are a tad optimistic on Knight. He's 23.. the same age as Brodie and Bouma. If he was 20.. sure I'd say there's a bunch of development and improvement to come.

He looks like a guy who's too small/not physical enough to play bottom six and not talented enough to play top six.

Perhaps I'm wrong. I look at Granlund and I see NHLer, I look at Hanowski and Knight and see long shots.

(and please don't go with the do you watch the games... a difference of opinion doesn't equate to me not watching the games)

[Lanny'sDaMan]

So we all saw the decline of the Canucks and a large number of fans I speak with all say this version of the Canucks seems to be on the exact trajectory the Flames were on back in 2010. I'm honestly amazed Gillis lasted this long. His seeming ineptitude in all things pertaining to hockey is well documented and hashed over by many media outlets.

So if we all saw this, and that far back too, how didn't Aquilini see this sooner? He's supposed to be a fairly astute businessman no?

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I think people are a tad optimistic on Knight. He's 23.. the same age as Brodie and Bouma. If he was 20.. sure I'd say there's a bunch of development and improvement to come.

He looks like a guy who's too small/not physical enough to play bottom six and not talented enough to play top six.

Perhaps I'm wrong. I look at Granlund and I see NHLer, I look at Hanowski and Knight and see long shots.

(and please don't go with the do you watch the games... a difference of opinion doesn't equate to me not watching the games)

Knight is not small...He's projected to be a solid 3rd/4th liner.