Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FleeceGang

As mentioned in the trade rumours thread if the Flames trade Kadri, Andersson, and Coleman for prospects and picks with limited salary coming back the team will struggle to hit the cap floor in the coming years. Securing a guy like nurse will help us stay above that line for the next four seasons and also reduce how many bad UFA overpaid contracts we sign. Regardless of this hypothetical trade Flames will have to take on bad contracts in some of the trades we make this year.

The sentiment around here is that we fill the roster with the recent draft picks and journeymen AHLers. That means going forward the Flames need to take on a few boat anchor contracts to balance out the ELCs/$1mil contracts that first year NHLers are paid to, again, reach that cap floor. Cap is projected to be $113.5mil in the 27/28 season. Nurse's $9.25 will only capture 8% of that so will be easier to stomach as the years go on.

Added benefit is that Nurse is bad and will help the tank/accumulation of high picks.

You don't take on that many years as a cap dump or to get to the floor. And Nurse is not someone who they need in the room at all.

[Enoch Root]

Also, why take back $9.25M when you're only sending out $4.55M?

[Buff]

Conroy wants to build a winning culture. Nurse doesn't know anything about that.

I hate when an Oiler goes to the Flames or vice versa. There are some players that you don't mind seeing it happen to but otherwise, it is just a bad idea.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by FleeceGang

As mentioned in the trade rumours thread if the Flames trade Kadri, Andersson, and Coleman for prospects and picks with limited salary coming back the team will struggle to hit the cap floor in the coming years. Securing a guy like nurse will help us stay above that line for the next four seasons and also reduce how many bad UFA overpaid contracts we sign. Regardless of this hypothetical trade Flames will have to take on bad contracts in some of the trades we make this year.

The sentiment around here is that we fill the roster with the recent draft picks and journeymen AHLers. That means going forward the Flames need to take on a few boat anchor contracts to balance out the ELCs/$1mil contracts that first year NHLers are paid to, again, reach that cap floor. Cap is projected to be $113.5mil in the 27/28 season. Nurse's $9.25 will only capture 8% of that so will be easier to stomach as the years go on.

Added benefit is that Nurse is bad and will help the tank/accumulation of high picks.

There seems to be quite a contingent of posters who seem to think that won't be the case because the Flames will eat a pile of dead duck salaries. Personally, I can't see that happening, and yesterday while driving to Kelowna I heard guys on 960 (Marchesi, Gazdic and Kelly?) saying that if the Flames trade off vets they will need to pick up young roster players as well as picks. That's my feeling too, as all picks seems like pushing everything WAY too far forward for the fan base (and probably ownership?). And, as we've been told, Edwards will, but doesn't like to, pay people not to work (but we all remember Darryl...right?).

[Robbob]

That has always been the narrative that the Flames would never retain because of that, but I think that was blown out of the water with the Markstrom retention. The Flames will retain if it makes sense.

[Manhattanboy]

Nm

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why not both miss?

But I don't want the Grease Pigs anywhere near the lottery though.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

But I don't want the Grease Pigs anywhere near the lottery though.

As long as they stay out of the top 12 they lose their first rounder to San Jose.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

But I don't want the Grease Pigs anywhere near the lottery though.

Agreed. I want them sentenced to the mushy middle where there is no hope on the horizon. I'll suffer more Oilers wins if it means keeping them out of the lottery.

Especially keep them out of the top 12 this season so they have to send their pick to SJ. Although it would be funny if they got the 12th OA this season and had to send SJ an unprotected 1st next season. It's just not worth the risk though. The Oilers and the draft lottery is such a dangerous mix.

[1qqaaz]

Updated MoneyPuck odds on the Oilers:

Chance to make playoffs: 22.2%
Chance to make second round: 8%
Chance to make third round: 3%
Chance to make finals: 1%
Chance to win up: 0.3%
Chance to finish 1st in Pacific: 1.3%
Chance to pick 1st overall: 5.4%

[Essembi]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Updated MoneyPuck odds on the Oilers:

Chance to make playoffs: 22.2%
Chance to make second round: 8%
Chance to make third round: 3%
Chance to make finals: 1%
Chance to win up: 0.3%
Chance to finish 1st in Pacific: 1.3%
Chance to pick 1st overall: 5.4%

Chance to be no good: 100%

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Essembi

Chance to be no good: 100%

That goes without saying… but thanks for saying it anyway!

[dino7c]

finish dead last for all I care

[1qqaaz]

Moneypuck actually has the Oilers well below the Flames on their power rankings. The Oilers are at a hilarious -6.25%, so they are actually less than no good.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by dino7c

finish dead last for all I care

Not ideal if we're hoping for the best for the Flames.


(Although that's hard to tell on here...depends on what one considers "best", I guess?)

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Moneypuck actually has the Oilers well below the Flames on their power rankings. The Oilers are at a hilarious -6.25%, so they are actually less than no good.

Power ranking (1st is CAR @ 9.03%) (negatives start at 19th):
CGY: -4.24% (24th)
EDM: -6.25% (27th)

Ability to win (1st is COL @ 1.26%) (negatives start at 24th):
EDM: -1.62% (29th)
CGY: -2.04% (32nd)

Scoring chances (1st is CAR @ 9.17%) (negatives start at 18th):
CGY: -1.09% (20th)
EDM: -1.22% (21st)

Goaltending (1st is NYR @ 4.54%) (negatives start at 15th):
CGY: -1.11% (24th)
EDM: -3.41% (32nd)

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by jg13

https://twitter.com/user/status/1990621120299512117

I wish I would have captured it but against Carolina on Saturday Sportsnet listed the scoring play Goal: McDavid(8) Assists: Skater(1) Draisaitl(9)

Yep, pretty much.

Edit: found it. It was a Draisaitl goal against Columbus.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Would you do this?

To Flames

26 2nd round pick
28 1st round pick (unprotected)
Darnell Nurse (no retention)

To oilers

Andersson


My answer is yes. Nurse doesn't waive though so...

Change Nurse for Ekholm and I would do that deal.

[cam_wmh]

There needs to be a couple more 1st Rounders before I'd agree to it.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

Always blaming the guys who play 8-10 minutes per game, zero PP time and hard matchups against other teams. These guys didn't give up breakaways on PP's, that was Bouchard! McDavid and Draisatl are out late in losing games padding their stats or else they would be leading the minus numbers.

Always the Oilers press blaming the guys who are roster fillers and the goalies.

Surely you don't expect the Oiler fanboy media to call out the glitter twins do you??? They might have to have a meeting with Kevin Lowe deep in the bowels of Rogers Place.