2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by DJones

A 15th right now is worth way more than a late 1st and a mid prospect next year

Maybe, but why would you think that? Do you know what the prospects look like next year? Do you know what the mid prospect is? What if Sharango is on pace for 40 goals mid point next season? He might get significantly more. Debrincat for example got a top 10 pick.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TOfan

That too…..

It’s been widely believed/stated that the deal, whatever it was, fell through due to salary retention. How much was being retained? What was the value of that retention? Were the Flames holding firm on Mercer being included? A 2024 1st? Protected/unprorected?

If the trade was executed do the devils miss the playoffs? If they did make the playoffs, which could have certainly happened, you’re not talking about 10th overall and the point of missing out on a top pairing/top 6/son of an icon becomes even less likely.

Your if, maybe and could have beens are the same as anyone else’s. ‘Less likely’ that we lost any of those assets I described is a real comfort.

The Markstrom interview suggests the deal was done. And Franky says the reason for the pull back from on high was ‘we’re still in it.’ The insiders say the offer was 2024 1st and Holtz. NJD pulled back on retention. You know all this as you commented and were active in the discussion.

Maybe if then could have been - we lost assets and pissed off our #1 goalie. If it was #19 this year plus Holtz (who was a top ten too I think) I’d be pretty happy right now.

Whatever we get for Marky now will be less for a pile of reasons that have been discussed thoroughly in this thread and which you are fully aware of.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Maybe, but why would you think that? Do you know what the prospects look like next year? Do you know what the mid prospect is? What if Sharango is on pace for 40 goals mid point next season? He might get significantly more. Debrincat for example got a top 10 pick.

Sharangovich is an UFA. He won’t be getting a top ten pick at the deadline no matter how good he is playing. If some team puts a 15th overall on the table for him then the Flames would have to take it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I'd take a 15th overall all day for Sharangovich. He has a mediocre season and he is worth a 2nd or something at the deadline. It moot though as it won't be offered

If Sharangovich is willing to sign a reasonable extension you keep that player. The odds the prospect you take at 15 ever reaching Sharangovich 's ability is pretty slim.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Sharangovich is willing to sign a reasonable extension you keep that player. The odds the prospect you take at 15 ever reaching Sharangovich 's ability is pretty slim.

Yeah, I don’t hate keeping him on a good contract but if the plan is to trade him then the Flames wouldn’t turn down a 15th overall pick to try and do better at the deadline.

[Monahammer]

I actually did think he was still an RFA so that is disappointing. But I do still think you hold him and see how he does as the season moves along.

Coleman is someone I would sell to highest bidder today.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Fan69

2 years ago i would have agreed but returns just arent what they used to be. I mean dont get me wrong if you can grab a 2025 second or a prospect as well by all means; i just think our expectations have been out if whack for a couple if years now.

I also contend that teams may still view this draft as weaker and be more willing to lose a first this year.

The Flames got a 1st, two former thirds, a 4th and a guy who scored 39 goals the year before for a rental. I want to know when were these olden days were that the returns on rentals were more than that.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames got a 1st, two former thirds, a 4th and a guy who scored 39 goals the year before for a rental. I want to know when were these olden days were that the returns on rentals were more than that.

Bru is also a legit prospect..

The return, imo, is simply fantastic.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Bru is also a legit prospect..

The return, imo, is simply fantastic.

I mean in the olden days you would trade a guy who had two fifty goal seasons, two 40 goal seasons and during the year he was traded was on pace for over 90 points for a former 11th overall pick and an over the hill veteran. You would trade the most sought after UFA and a former 1st round pick for a former 19th overall pick, a third line forward and a fighter. I don’t recall these olden days where the returns were astronomical.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames got a 1st, two former thirds, a 4th and a guy who scored 39 goals the year before for a rental. I want to know when were these olden days were that the returns on rentals were more than that.

For two years cap concerns have limited and discouraged trading?? If the speculation is true markstrom is still here because if salary retention?

Though this had been pretty obvious since hanafin and tanev returned less than expected?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Though this had been pretty obvious since hanafin and tanev returned less than expected?

I think they returned less than what some Flames fans were expecting but were pretty in line with historical returns. Most people would have been fine with a cap dump and a 1st for Tanev but the Flames liked Grushnikov and a 2nd better. Hanifin was basically on the nose for a rental, his agent could have helped a bit more with getting an extension done but hopefully the Knights suck in 26.

[dino7c]

26 pick from Vegas could be first overall...I don't want to hear anymore about that trade being less than expected until we see the pick. They were a wildcard team this season and their cap shenanigans aren't going to hold up forever.

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by dino7c

26 pick from Vegas could be first overall...I don't want to hear anymore about that trade being less than expected until we see the pick. They were a wildcard team this season and their cap shenanigans aren't going to hold up forever.

Precisely. Obviously a first this year is more fun after a meh year, but always got to think long-term especially with the situation the org is currently in.

Gavin McKenna or Joe Iginla please

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

26 pick from Vegas could be first overall...I don't want to hear anymore about that trade being less than expected until we see the pick. They were a wildcard team this season and their cap shenanigans aren't going to hold up forever.

If the NHL addresses the cap circumvention in the next year or 2, Vegas could easily be a non-playoff team right when we are getting that pick.

Stone sits games every year, they trade for players and make the playoffs and he comes back. They probably are cheating but take that away I bet Stone can't make it 82 games now let alone 2 years from now.

AP will be 36
Stone 34
Karlsson 33
Hertl 32

Eichel, Whitecloud and Hanifin will be pushing 30 and the only guys signed right now that are under 30 by that year.

Guys like Theodore, Hill, Thompson all will either be gone or making way more money.

They already have no cap to keep JM and Stephenson.

If they make moves this summer to make 1 more run, it just will get better and better for us the following year.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Precisely. Obviously a first this year is more fun after a meh year, but always got to think long-term especially with the situation the org is currently in.

Gavin McKenna or Joe Iginla please

This could end being a Phil Kessel scenario where the GM thinks no way that pick is top 5 and ends up top 5 or better.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I thought Conroy was trading all the picks for Joe Pavelski because we are competing next season.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Fan69

For two years cap concerns have limited and discouraged trading?? If the speculation is true markstrom is still here because if salary retention?

Though this had been pretty obvious since hanafin and tanev returned less than expected?

What was the expected return for Tanev? Right now it is a 2nd, a former 2nd and a conditional 3rd round pick.

Hanifin got an unprotected first, a third and a NHL ready 26 year old dman.

What were the expected two huge returns that the Flames missed out on?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Maybe, but why would you think that? Do you know what the prospects look like next year? Do you know what the mid prospect is? What if Sharango is on pace for 40 goals mid point next season? He might get significantly more. Debrincat for example got a top 10 pick.

Debrincat had two years of control left, he was not a rental.

A team trading for a rental tends to have later picks.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Sharangovich is willing to sign a reasonable extension you keep that player. The odds the prospect you take at 15 ever reaching Sharangovich 's ability is pretty slim.

That’s not how it works.
Unless he can consistently repeat his 30 goal season, I’d take my chance with the 15th overall any time

Pick always have good value for its potential

[NewFan]

I think Conroy saw Sharangovich's best season this year. In other word, his value is at highest this year and I think it will not rise much in the future.
So if he wants to sign up to 4 years deal in Calgary with fair value, sure we better sign him. He can play winger and Centre and one of few players who can shoot.
But he wants to chase the cup or money we will be forced to trade him like all our FAs last season.

And If we trade players for draft picks, I would like trade them for 2025, 2026, 2027th draft picks.
It gives us an opportunity to get better draft picks and add more young players next 2-3 years. No need to draft 10+ players in one year.
Meanwhile we find out what we have in our current prospect pool.