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Frank MetaMusil · 03-12-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What pattern? There is a real mix in that last. What's common about it?

The Flames fire coaches who win playoff games is my guess, Alex.

Toonage · 03-12-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What pattern? There is a real mix in that last. What's common about it?

Personal opinion? All sub par hires. Cast offs, rehashes, also rans etc. Again, my opinion.

Edit: I missed the 2nd Sutter. Clearly Darryl was not in the mix of sub par hires.

Erick Estrada · 03-12-2018, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yep, time to ship out Glue Gun and get back to the franchise winning ways under Hartley, Sutter and Keenan, playfair and Sutter.

This is one of those rare times your drive by posts are actually useful in conversation. It's pretty obvious that this organization has an issue in they continue to hire the wrong coach. Outside of Brent Sutter (was highly though of in league circles when hired by the Flames) I don't think anyone would be surprised that things played out the way they did under the other guys. This team seems to have a knack for hiring guys like Hartley, Keenan, Gulutzan that aren't on any other team's radar as a viable head coach and the results are predictable.

Locke · 03-12-2018, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

The Flames fire coaches who win playoff games is my guess, Alex.

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Personal opinion? All sub par hires. Cast offs, rehashes, also rans etc. Again, my opinion.

And yet all more successful then our current coach.

zamler · 03-12-2018, 12:06 PM

Resolute 14 · 03-12-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by flash walken

yep, time to ship out glue gun and get back to the franchise winning ways under hartley, sutter and keenan, playfair and sutter.

But Hillary's emails!

Stay Golden · 03-12-2018, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by zamler

This is amazing

Frank MetaMusil · 03-12-2018, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

And yet all more successful then our current coach.

That's what always pisses me off about the Flames ownership/management the most. The Flames playoff record is abysmal, yet they seem to think they are onto something.

Keenan - 13 playoff games, won 5 - Fired
Brent - Zero playoff games - Not renewed, coached entire contract
Hartley - 11 playoff games, won 5 - Fired
Glue - 4 playoff games, zero won - Still around.

stone hands · 03-12-2018, 12:42 PM

I have read some absurd things on cp, but firing coaches because they have playoff wins has to take the cake

Flash Walken · 03-12-2018, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

That's what always pisses me off about the Flames ownership/management the most. The Flames playoff record is abysmal, yet they seem to think they are onto something.

Keenan - 13 playoff games, won 5 - Fired
Brent - Zero playoff games - Not renewed, coached entire contract
Hartley - 11 playoff games, won 5 - Fired
Glue - 4 playoff games, zero won - Still around.

"I'm not firing you, the owners are."

- Darryl Sutter

kukkudo · 03-12-2018, 01:00 PM

What's everyones opinion on Todd Mclellan? Looks like he may get fired at the end of the season. He has more options to work with here than the Oilers.

browna · 03-12-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is one of those rare times your drive by posts are actually useful in conversation. It's pretty obvious that this organization has an issue in they continue to hire the wrong coach. Outside of Brent Sutter (was highly though of in league circles when hired by the Flames) I don't think anyone would be surprised that things played out the way they did under the other guys. This team seems to have a knack for hiring guys like Hartley, Keenan, Gulutzan that aren't on any other team's radar as a viable head coach and the results are predictable.

Well, probably would’ve all turned out different if the Flames didn’t want Sutter to do two jobs and/or Darryl didn’t think he could do both jobs in Summer 2005 when the salary cap came into play for GMs. Everything snowballing down from there thanks to some key poor decisions that year and the next year when he was rejected from coaching the team.

jayswin · 03-12-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by browna

Well, probably would’ve all turned out different if the Flames didn’t want Sutter to do two jobs and/or Darryl didn’t think he could do both jobs in Summer 2005 when the salary cap came into play for GMs. Everything snowballing down from there thanks to some key poor decisions that year and the next year when he was rejected from coaching the team.

Darryl the GM was pretty scary. He GM'd exactly like a coach would for immediate results.

"Take our second round pick for anyone in the NHL!!!".

Locke · 03-12-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

What's everyones opinion on Todd Mclellan? Looks like he may get fired at the end of the season. He has more options to work with here than the Oilers.

I think Todd McLellan has been fairly well exposed as a sub-par coach who has profited from incredibly talented rosters. As soon as he was asked to actually do hard work the Oilers are....well, at home. In the basement.

Flash Walken · 03-12-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

I think Todd McLellan has been fairly well exposed as a sub-par coach who has profited from incredibly talented rosters. As soon as he was asked to actually do hard work the Oilers are....well, at home. In the basement.

so you think a good coach is going to get that roster nearer the playoffs?

Locke · 03-12-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

so you think a good coach is going to get that roster nearer the playoffs?

'Nearer' is a matter of opinion.

What do you mean 'Good Coach?' Todd McLellan is, objectively, a good coach. He was up for the Jack Adams last season.

He just forgot how to do it which is why the Oilers are where they are. Right?

yourbestfriend · 03-12-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

I think Todd McLellan has been fairly well exposed as a sub-par coach who has profited from incredibly talented rosters. As soon as he was asked to actually do hard work the Oilers are....well, at home. In the basement.

To be fair to McLellan, the Oiler's have had 6 other coaches since 2006 who have all benefited from multiple 1stOA's and high draft picks, yet none of them got that team to the playoffs. The issue up north runs way deeper than the coach

Locke · 03-12-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

To be fair to McLellan, the Oiler's have had 6 other coaches since 2006 who have all benefited from multiple 1stOA's and high draft picks, yet none of them got that team to the playoffs. The issue up north runs way deeper than the coach

And you wont find me arguing to the contrary.

I just that McLellan has ridden on the coattails of the more talented.

He rode Babcock's coattails.

He had an insanely talented team in SJ that he did absolutely nothing with.

The year after he left SJ they went to the Cup Finals. Same team, just one McLellan short and they went all the way. Much farther than he'd ever taken them.

Then he went to Edmonton and they predictably sucked.

Then they were amazing and he got nominated for the Jack Adams.

And then they suck again.

kukkudo · 03-12-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

so you think a good coach is going to get that roster nearer the playoffs?

See the problem is if Flames went out and hired AV or JQ this summer and they missed than yes you were right Flash this team stinks. If new coach comes in takes team to playoffs with ease well than we know GG really stinked. Nobody knows if another coach will get the same results either better than GG or even worse haha.

Erick Estrada · 03-12-2018, 01:48 PM

McLellan coached his Sharks teams to a couple of Presidents Trophies so I would say he's a better than average head coach which is proven by the fact he coached an Oilers team to 103 points as even average head coaches don't take two different teams to over 100 points especially one being the Oilers. He didn't get the results in the playoffs but we have seen other good head coaches like Trotz and Boudreau struggle to get their teams over the hump in the playoffs. That Oilers situation can't be easy for any coach as the players in that market get treated like gods and there's so many moving parts in their building with all the ex-Oilers hanging around. Nothing good comes out of having all those cooks in the kitchen. I'm not saying I would want McLellan to be the replacement for Gulutzan but the Flames could do a lot worse and have when it comes to coach hires.