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Roof-Daddy · 10-06-2021, 09:54 AM

If you trade Tkachuk for an injured Eichel you are basically sewering your season IMO.

Calgary4LIfe · 10-06-2021, 09:54 AM

I am all for bringing in Eichel, but there is definite risk. It isn't just a matter of pushing all your chips in - if Eichel doesn't return to being at a certain level, that is both crippling from a cap point of view, as well as from an asset-depletion point of view.

I am ok with this. Teams are putting the squeeze on Buffalo, and rightfully slow. How will this injury affect him long term? I don't know.. but if I am Treliving, I am not pushing my chips in until I get my doctors to review the injury, the surgery that Eichel is preferring, and assess as well as they can the likelihood of this injury impacting Eichel's performance.

There is certainly a tonne of risk here that makes me incredibly apprehensive about 'winning' the Eichel sweepstakes. I do hope that Eichel will return to being 100% after the surgery, and I hope that it will be with the Flames in that scenario. I also want the squeeze to be put on Buffalo anyway - after watching MacInnis, Nieuwendyk, Roberts, Gilmour, Makarov, Loob, Mullen - after I saw some of the fantastic talent on this team leave for either pennies on the dollar or no return at all - I would love for the Flames to acquire a franchise player for pennies on the dollar too for a change. It at least mitigates some risk if things don't work out.

Enoch Root · 10-06-2021, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you trade Tkachuk for an injured Eichel you are basically sewering your season IMO.

Aren't you one of the loudest voices saying 'whatever it takes!'?

What do you propose?

Vinny01 · 10-06-2021, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you trade Tkachuk for an injured Eichel you are basically sewering your season IMO.

Which is why the pick needs protection but let’s be real here. Monahan++ is not getting it done so I think if we want to be serious about Eichel Tkachuk is the salary and player that will highlight the package.

Enoch Root · 10-06-2021, 09:59 AM

The proper way for this to unfold would be for Buffalo to assist Eichel in getting his surgery and then recovering, and getting healthy, and getting back to game shape.

THEN they would have a legitimate asset that they can trade at full price - being whatever level Eichel returns to.

This game they are playing: "we want full price for a mystery box!" isn't helping anyone, including the Sabres.

Vinny01 · 10-06-2021, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The proper way for this to unfold would be for Buffalo to assist Eichel in getting his surgery and then recovering, and getting healthy, and getting back to game shape.

THEN they would have a legitimate asset that they can trade at full price - being whatever level Eichel returns to.

This game they are playing: "we want full price for a mystery box!" isn't helping anyone, including the Sabres.

It has been a complete overplay of their hand and now they are in a crappy situation. I can’t see how they get offers now that would have beat what they were offered in the summer.

In my opinion the Flames are middling and stuck on the treadmill that won’t move them in one direction or the other. Eichel is a declaration of “all in” which I think is what the organization wants to be with Sutter behind the bench.

Heavy Jack · 10-06-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Which is why the pick needs protection but let’s be real here. Monahan++ is not getting it done so I think if we want to be serious about Eichel Tkachuk is the salary and player that will highlight the package.

Monahan++++ would though no? If Monahan + Valimaki + Zary + 1st + 2nd doesn’t get it done than I think Adam’s is off his rocker. That’s a far more competitive offer than any of the ones we’ve seen reported.

Roof-Daddy · 10-06-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Aren't you one of the loudest voices saying 'whatever it takes!'?

What do you propose?

Don't get me wrong, if the Flames are confident Eichel will come back healthy then I would be OK with this trade.

1. I don't think the team is that good right now anyways
2. I don't think Tkachuk will be in Calgary past two more seasons anyways

I'm just saying that trading Tkachuk for an injured Eichel hurts the Flames chances this year, and I don't think the Flames FO is prepared to do that.

I think it's more likely they try to land Eichel with futures and then keep him LTIR as long as possible, then deal with the cap afterwards.

Another possibility would be to replace Tkachuk. Example would be a 3 way trade where the Flames end up with Eichel and Tarasenko, the Blues end up with Tkachuk, and the Sabres take home all the futures plus any cap dumps needed to make it work.

Vinny01 · 10-06-2021, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Monahan++++ would though no? If Monahan + Valimaki + Zary + 1st + 2nd doesn’t get it done than I think Adam’s is off his rocker. That’s a far more competitive offer than any of the ones we’ve seen reported.

I don’t see Monahan being of interest to the Sabres nor do I see Monahan waiving to go there. Just doesn’t seem to fit the Sabres plans and the prospects are not good enough at least imo.

End of the day the Flames will not be able to afford Eichel and then extend Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Mangiapane. Tkachuk makes the most sense to move of that group based on how negotiations have gone in the past and likely the ask he will have as a RFA

FlamesAddiction · 10-06-2021, 10:21 AM

Keith Tkachuk was notoriously hard to deal with in Winnipeg. I recall during his hold out with the Jets and chatter started talking about relocation, and he said that they probably should relocate the team so they could afford to pay him. Not saying he was wrong at the time, but it was pretty disrespectful to the fans.

He was one of my favourite player of all time on the ice, but he openly a jerk when it came to negotiating through the media. I can't blame the Jets management for calling him out as well.

FlamesAddiction · 10-06-2021, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you trade Tkachuk for an injured Eichel you are basically sewering your season IMO.

I agree with this. It would be especially crippling if the deal included an unprotected 1st rounder.

I favour a rebuilding approach so I would be all for acquiring Eichel as long as any 2022 or 2023 1st rounder was lottery protected.

chedder · 10-06-2021, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NewFan

I would be happy to receive 4 first round picks for Matthew.

We might get 4 used pucks for him at the end of the day.

Lanny_McDonald · 10-06-2021, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chedder

we might get 4 flipped pucks for him at the end of the day.

fyp

CsInMyBlood · 10-06-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’ve watched almost all the Panthers game since Bennett was acquired. If you think Bennett’s success is entirely because of Huberdeau…well, you’re wrong. Also, yes - you generally need to play with other good players to have success. How not to have success? Saddle your players with sub-NHL players like Troy Brouwer, James Neal, and Mark Jankowski.

Bennett’s a good player, and the reason he didn’t flourish here was because our last 3 head coaches were morons who will never be head coaches in this league again, and because our GM insisted on paying 4M+ on non-NHL talent to fill out his roster.

Excuse me if I dont take your word as gospel when it comes to Sam Bennett. In post game threads you regularly tried to sell that Bennett had a great game regardless of how crappy he played. Never Bennetts fault, always linemates or coaching.

We shall see what he does going forward.

InternationalVillager · 10-06-2021, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you trade Tkachuk for an injured Eichel you are basically sewering your season IMO.

Good. That's the way to do it.

genetic_phreek · 10-06-2021, 11:59 AM

Mony and Valimaki not inserted tonight. As another poster stated, maybe the Eichel situation is heating up again.

Monahan, Valimaki, Pelletier, 2022 1st for Eichel?

We can make it happen.

dissentowner · 10-06-2021, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you trade Tkachuk for an injured Eichel you are basically sewering your season IMO.

On the other hand if you let him walk for nothing that is incredibly worse.

TheIronMaiden · 10-06-2021, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you trade Tkachuk for an injured Eichel you are basically sewering your season IMO.

Haven't folks been crying for a rebuild this whole time/worrying that Tkachuk and Gaudreau will leave for nothing.

This should be a best case scenario in their eyes.

Roof-Daddy · 10-06-2021, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Haven't folks been crying for a rebuild this whole time/worrying that Tkachuk and Gaudreau will leave for nothing.

This should be a best case scenario in their eyes.

See post #3688

mile · 10-06-2021, 02:00 PM

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It was? when? where?

as far as I know, and Friedman has said so multiple time recently, that the Sabres have not shared Eichel's medical records with other teams. If the Sabres are now doing so, this could pave the way for a trade prior to the reg. season, which would make sense. I doubt very much the Sabres see paying Eichel to sit as an appealing option. On the other hand suspending him and not paying him seems wrong on many levels. I suspect the league, and fans, would turn on them quickly.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-ma...-eichel-front/

More on Eichel from Friedman on The Jeff Marek Show today. Nothing groundbreaking, but also now confirms that Eichel's recent MRI scans (one as recent as this week) have been shared with other teams.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1445783771526021126

Monahan sitting out today does make me a little curious... he's supposed to be ramping up at this point in the pre-season.