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Old 10-17-2015, 08:03 AM   #3681
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Do not believe what the media and politicians tell you. Go research the facts for yourself.

She is talking about Federal and Provincial debt combined. When electing a federal government, look at federal debt levels.
Yes but (and correct me if I'm wrong): didn't Martin, in reducing the federal debt, put the burden of that reduction of transfer to the provinces? So while federal debt dropped significantly, provincial debt rose just as significantly.
I may mis-remember, but I don't think so.
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Yes but (and correct me if I'm wrong): didn't Martin, in reducing the federal debt, put the burden of that reduction of transfer to the provinces? So while federal debt dropped significantly, provincial debt rose just as significantly.
I may mis-remember, but I don't think so.
The provincial debt-to-GDP ratio declined a little bit during the last period of Liberal government, but has risen during the Harper government faster than federal debt has. This chart shows all government debt compared to federal debt:

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CPC volunteers caught on camera vandalizing Liberal and NDP signs in Brampton:



The Liberals have apparently filed a complaint with the police.
This really should be a bigger deal.
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Old 10-17-2015, 08:46 AM   #3684
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This really should be a bigger deal.
Yea apparently sign vandalism is happening a lot here in Calgary too, though maybe not directly linked to official campaign workers. In any case these two have already left the campaign. They'll likely face charges is my guess after the election.
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Old 10-17-2015, 09:19 AM   #3685
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This really should be a bigger deal.
Indulge me on this, but why should it be a bigger deal? Isn't it just a bunch of idiot volunteers doing something that might be illegal, but likely not at the direction of their campaign, and which is unlikely to have any material effect on the race?

Maybe I'm naive, but it's not as though the CPC's new strategy is "vandalize all the signs."

I saw a Joan Crockatt sign with a mustache drawn on it the other day. Is that also a big deal?
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Old 10-17-2015, 09:31 AM   #3686
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Did anyone ever make a decision based on placement or number of signs?

"That NDP candidate only had 1,200 signs out where the CPC clearly cared more and put out 1,500, they deserve my vote!".

I understand name recognition is big when people make uninformed votes, but we're talking a few of thousands of signs in a riding being noodled with.
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Conrad Black: Stephen Harper did many great things for this country, but he hung on to power a little too long http://natpo.st/1OKGAc9
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Did anyone ever make a decision based on placement or number of signs?
It has been a huge deal in influences my kids, but considering they are 8,7 and 5 I am not sure it will have a big impact in the election.

Unless there is proof that the volunteers were told to do it by someone from the party or the Candidate I can't see this being much of an issue that should change anyones opinion on who to vote or not vote for.
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Conrad Black: Stephen Harper did many great things for this country, but he hung on to power a little too long http://natpo.st/1OKGAc9
Good advice from one criminal to another
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Conrad Black: Stephen Harper did many great things for this country, but he hung on to power a little too long http://natpo.st/1OKGAc9
Wow, I definitely did not see this coming from Black. Did he and Harper have a falling out over something? The headline doesn't do the editorial justice; Conrad Black absolutely rips Harper to shreds in this piece.
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Indulge me on this, but why should it be a bigger deal? Isn't it just a bunch of idiot volunteers doing something that might be illegal, but likely not at the direction of their campaign, and which is unlikely to have any material effect on the race?

Maybe I'm naive, but it's not as though the CPC's new strategy is "vandalize all the signs."

I saw a Joan Crockatt sign with a mustache drawn on it the other day. Is that also a big deal?
In the video they seem to claim it's there job to tear down signs.
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Conrad Black: Stephen Harper did many great things for this country, but he hung on to power a little too long http://natpo.st/1OKGAc9
That article isn't anywhere to be seen on the post front page, their top 3 stories are pro harper editorials. Interesting read and I think that coming from Conrad Black that article means a lot.

I used to feel bad for postmedia but after this week and the admission from the ottawa citizen editor that they were told to write pro harper endorsements by ownership, they can go out of business for all i care.

The real embarassment has been the editors... Lending your name to this boondoggle and actually writing the "opinion" columns like trained seals.

At least represent them for what they are... The views of the post owners, not the journalists or their readership.

Funniest thing about it all is how Harper is so paranoid that the media has a huge lw bias, and in his death throes it's the national newspaper conglomerate that are trying to prop him up.
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Maybe I missed some, but the only endorsements I've seen are editorials - which are opinion pieces, and as such, irrelevant.
And it matters not to me whose opinion they are... it's still pretty much worthless.
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I do care when ownership forces the endorsement and buries any divergent opinions, or pulls them altogether. What happened with Andrew Coyne"s column? Any updates from Canadaland?


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Did anyone ever make a decision based on placement or number of signs?

"That NDP candidate only had 1,200 signs out where the CPC clearly cared more and put out 1,500, they deserve my vote!".

I understand name recognition is big when people make uninformed votes, but we're talking a few of thousands of signs in a riding being noodled with.
Companies spend billions on advertising so they seem to think it works.

I think if you can make a candidate look really popular, it can sway some people. There are some people that just want to be on the winning side.

There could also be a level of intimidation for some people if they see signs that are kicked in.
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Ha ha. That's great.

This whole "Team Up With Team Ford" thing seems kind of strange to me. Not the whole 'compromise my integrity for a few votes', but doing it for so few.

Wouldn't anyone who can be influenced by the Fords already be voting Conservative anyway? How many votes can there be to get?
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To me the newspapers owned by Postmedia have stooped to an all time low this weekend. First the Coyne issue with the National Post is appalling. When journalists are obviously being muzzled its just not right. Today though the papers sunk to a low of all lows when the let the CPC buy the front page for an advertisement. Frankly, when you start selling the first page as an ad you have abandoned any credibility as journalists and are just printing brochures for people.

I would cancel a subscription to them if I could...but that would require having one to begin with. I get the G&M, and while they put out their ridiculous endorsement, I don't care about that as much. Oh and the Sun went full court press against the Liberals today. I know that Dion quoted one of the columns, but someone on twitter sent out a picture and it was two full pages of columns all against Trudeau. Just a rag.
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In the video they seem to claim it's there job to tear down signs.
They are just blustering as they are walking away from a confrontation after getting busted stomping on signs. I highly doubt the campaign is paying them to vandalize signs. I mean, I could be wrong, but I think this is just a few idiots, and every campaign has them.
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This really should be a bigger deal.
Take a drive around Harper's riding here in Calgary and look at all the vandalism on his signs.

It goes both ways. Idiots on both sides.
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