2016 NHL Draft

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

It's when you start to think your opinion is more valid than real NHL scouts

Opinions are not ''''valid''' or '''invalid''' one way or the other. They are opinions. Learn to accept that people on a fan message board are going to have opinions that aren't rote memorization of Bob McKenzie's List.

[dammage79]

Flames need a shoot first guy. I have my preferences and those preferences go against that idea of the Flames needing a sniper but I really think a guy like Nylander who has a killer shot gets a bump on the BPA list regardless of the concerns of softeness or will to compete. And I thin that's why a guy like Brown gets bumped down a bit because he is a playmaker first. I said before I could definitely see a guy like Gauthier getting a big bump up the Flames list because he is about the next best pure goalscorer in the draft outside of the top 4-5.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Lol, good point. Luckily our GM has a scouting background so if he overrules our scouts it will be with a wealth of expertise and experience behind him.

Treliving has a scouting background? I was under the impression he was an administrative guy.

Treliving played in the minors (ECHL for the most part) until '95, then founded and ran the WPHL in '96. He oversaw the merger of the WPHL with the CHL in 2001, and was commissioner of the CHL until he left to join the Coyote's staff in 2003. As AGM with the Coyotes his primary responsibility was the operation of the AHL affiliate, the San Antonio Rampage. He maintained that role until he joined the Flames.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Treliving has a scouting background? I was under the impression he was an administrative guy.

Treliving played in the minors (ECHL for the most part) until '95, then founded and ran the WPHL in '96. He oversaw the merger of the WPHL with the CHL in 2001, and was commissioner of the CHL until he left to join the Coyote's staff in 2003. As AGM with the Coyotes his primary responsibility was the operation of the AHL affiliate, the San Antonio Rampage. He maintained that role until he joined the Flames.

He ran the draft for the Yotes unless I'm mistaken.

[Angelino]

Just wondering if Logan Brown has played wing before. Have not watched him much, but was thinking if he could line up on the right side of Monahan and Gaudreau one day if the Flames drafted him.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Opinions are not ''''valid''' or '''invalid''' one way or the other. They are opinions. Learn to accept that people on a fan message board are going to have opinions that aren't rote memorization of Bob McKenzie's List.

What's with the crazy quotes?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by New Era

Treliving has a scouting background? I was under the impression he was an administrative guy.

Treliving played in the minors (ECHL for the most part) until '95, then founded and ran the WPHL in '96. He oversaw the merger of the WPHL with the CHL in 2001, and was commissioner of the CHL until he left to join the Coyote's staff in 2003. As AGM with the Coyotes his primary responsibility was the operation of the AHL affiliate, the San Antonio Rampage. He maintained that role until he joined the Flames.

Treliving called his apprenticeship in Phoenix “very fortunate,” noting that because they had a “small shop,” he got the opportunity to be involved in every part of the operation – negotiating player contracts, working with the minor-league team, pro and amateur scouting.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle18300124/

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Just wondering if Logan Brown has played wing before. Have not watched him much, but was thinking if he could line up on the right side of Monahan and Gaudreau one day if the Flames drafted him.

He's a left shot so it's probably not ideal. If you took him and wanted him to be a winger, he'd be better on Bennett's left side. I suspect Bennett would be more likely to end up on Brown's left in that scenario. That's assuming, of course, that you see Brown as a worthy #6 pick.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I know the Stars game will be front and centre for most people tonight but in case you want to see a wealth of prospects for the draft tonight we have London vs Niagara game 4 on SN360 at 5pm. London is going for the sweep of the OHL Finals and the Memorial Cup berth. Games 5 and 6 should they be required will also be shown on SN360. Chance to see:

#7 Matt Tkachuk (ranked 2nd in NA by CSS)
#4 Olli Juolevi (ranked 5th in NA by CSS)
#49 Max Jones (ranked 14th in NA by CSS)
#98 Victor Mete (ranked 74th in NA by CSS)
#63 Cliff Pu (ranked 75th in NA by CSS)

Is his last name actually pronounced "poo"?

[VladtheImpaler]

Interesting that the THN list, which is a consensus list of about 15 GM's, scouts and peronnel guys, has the usual top 5, but Juolevi at 6, followed by Nylander, Sergachev and Chychrun. Then McLeod, Jost, Keller, Jones, Brown. So... I think that means a dman will go early and that Button had Brown going high because he thinks his brother takes him at 6 (or some other inside info about VAN perhaps)...

[albertGQ]

When is the THN draft issue available on newstands?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

When is the THN draft issue available on newstands?

Mine came in the mail today, so should be right away.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Interesting that the THN list, which is a consensus list of about 15 GM's, scouts and peronnel guys, has the usual top 5, but Juolevi at 6, followed by Nylander, Sergachev and Chychrun. Then McLeod, Jost, Keller, Jones, Brown. So... I think that means a dman will go early and that Button had Brown going high because he thinks his brother takes him at 6 (or some other inside info about VAN perhaps)...

Or it could be that only Craig Button thinks that high of Brown.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Is his last name actually pronounced "poo"?

I believe so. From the highlights I've seen of London games the crowd actually starts to yell "Poooooo" if he has a breakaway.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I believe so. From the highlights I've seen of London games the crowd actually starts to yell "Poooooo" if he has a breakaway.

If he coughs up the puck do they yell "Oh poooooo"?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or it could be that only Craig Button thinks that high of Brown.

I don't think that's the case. Chiarelli bought him up unprompted when talking about players in consideration in the range they're picking. Benning has said some pretty complimentary things. Neither GM has said a word on Nylander yet. Kind of suggests Brown is in that elite grouping of forwards with Tkachuk and Dubois for some or most teams.

I think Brown drops on the consensus lists because there's a wide variance in where he's ranked. He's seen as in the elite grouping by some GMs and scouts (top 6-8) and then not even in the top 12 for others. So his average falls because of that. But big centres pretty much never fall on draft day. I'd expect someone to take Brown high or to trade up to take Brown high. It's very hard to find big, skilled centres if you don't draft them (much like top 3 d-men and 1st line powerforwards).

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I don't think that's the case. Chiarelli bought him up unprompted when talking about players in consideration in the range they're picking. Benning has said some pretty complimentary things. Neither GM has said a word on Nylander yet. Kind of suggests Brown is in that elite grouping of forwards with Tkachuk and Dubois for some or most teams.

I think Brown drops on the consensus lists because there's a wide variance in where he's ranked. He's seen as in the elite grouping by some GMs and scouts (top 6-8) and then not even in the top 12 for others. So his average falls because of that. But big centres pretty much never fall on draft day. I'd expect someone to take Brown high or to trade up to take Brown high. It's very hard to find big, skilled centres if you don't draft them (much like top 3 d-men and 1st line powerforwards).

You think they're being honest and not leaving certain info out? Benning seems to be pretty candid, I dunno about Chia, but I also recall Burke talking about lying tons prior to the draft and how he might draft Nick Ritchie.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle18300124/

Emphasis on "working with... Pro and amateur scouting." Doesn't mean he did it, means he worked with them. Treliving works with guys that manage the ice plant, doesn't mean that Treliving knows how to make ice in the Saddledome. Treliving is a good manager and part of that is listening to his subject matter experts to inform his opinion and guide his decision making process. He has scouts to make the calls on talent. I seriously doubt he is making those calls himself.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Emphasis on "working with... Pro and amateur scouting." Doesn't mean he did it, means he worked with them. Treliving works with guys that manage the ice plant, doesn't mean that Treliving knows how to make ice in the Saddledome. Treliving is a good manager and part of that is listening to his subject matter experts to inform his opinion and guide his decision making process. He has scouts to make the calls on talent. I seriously doubt he is making those calls himself.

Burke and Treliving have definitely both scouted players for this years draft. I know Sureloss had some info on that earlier this spring

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

You think they're being honest and not leaving certain info out? Benning seems to be pretty candid, I dunno about Chia, but I also recall Burke talking about lying tons prior to the draft and how he might draft Nick Ritchie.

I don't think that was lying, I think had we drafted a few spots lower that Nick Ritchie may have been our pick. Once we got into that elite top 4 grouping it was obvious Ritchie was no longer going to be the pick.