[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is silly that Florida would be the Bedard sweepstakes mainly because Montreal has their pick

LMAO...ouch!

Yeah, if I have a gripe it's seeing how many 1st round picks they gave up to be wiped out in the 2nd round pretty easily. I think the GM had a poor read on how close the team was, but then again, a President's Trophy team is a good team to bet on, so I can't be too mad.

[Vinny01]

I don’t like the look of Tkachuk on that second line. In many ways I think Huberdeau made Bennett and Gaudreau made Tkachuk so I don’t think those 2 are going to light the world on fire. If it works that is good for them as it was a pair I always wanted the flames to put together. I don’t think it will be long until Tkachuk is paired with Barkov.

Florida won 11 games after trailing going into the third last year? It won’t shock me to see this team miss the playoffs but I don’t see them really being anything worse than a bubble team. I think Toronto and Tampa will finish higher with the Sens, and Bruins fighting Florida for the 3 spot

[dino7c]

Best thing the Panthers have going for them is there really isn't a good 3rd team in that division right now...Sens would have to take a massive step.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm kind of curious to see how this all works out for them. How will Bennett look without Huberdeau and how well will Tkachuk fill that role on the 2nd line?

Bennett will drive to the net like he always does.
That worked really well with Huberdeau keeping up and getting great passes in to him.
Tkachuk is a very good passer, but I can't see him moving fast enough to take advantage of Bennett crashing the net; someone will need to slow down the pace and I can't see that working.

[dino7c]

to be fair these lines might last one shift until Tkachuk is on line one...makes for a pretty sad 2nd line though

seems they play a lot of #### teams in the first 10 or so games, probably get out to a decent start

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

LMAO...ouch!

Yeah, if I have a gripe it's seeing how many 1st round picks they gave up to be wiped out in the 2nd round pretty easily. I think the GM had a poor read on how close the team was, but then again, a President's Trophy team is a good team to bet on, so I can't be too mad.

I see why they made those moves as the team has been struggling for the better part of 2 decades and finally breaking through. The 1sts for Reinhart and Tkachuk are fine but 2 1sts for rentals that left stings.

I fully get why Florida made the Tkachuk trade and I do think this deal makes sense for both teams but it almost feels like they tossed Weegar in for cap purposes as they really paid a lot to bring Chucky in

[tony-soprano]

Huberdeau to Bennett
Primary Assists: 6
Secondary Assists: 5

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Huberdeau to Bennett
Primary Assists: 6
Secondary Assists: 5

So assisted on 39% of his goals

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So assisted on 39% of his goals

No, just more for optics. I was curious myself to see how many assists Huberdeau had on Bennett goals.

Bennett usually scores in bunches too, so unless Tkachuk can feed him 20 between the legs passes for tap ins..I think his numbers drop drastically.

[dino7c]

He is an ex-Flame so probably gets off to a ridiculously hot start

Neal
Bennett
Colborne

Ect.

Then reality in a few months

[Bonded]

Lol reading the first pages of the this thread has some really funny posts in hindsight

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I love that a team that won the President's Trophy and had 122 points last year ...

Cali, look at the losses versus the gains. Florida is in for a rough ride this year. You can say that Tkachuk was a 100+ point player last season, but as a Flames fan you should also be able to look at his performance and recognize he was the third best player on his line. Tkachuk is not a play driver, he's a support player to a highly skilled linemate. Who of Duclair or Bennett is the play driver to make Tkachuk effective? That is a line of support players with no one to carry the puck and make sweet passes for Tkachuk to finish. The best linemate for Tkachuk is Barkov, and that would be putting all the eggs in one basket. Maybe Lundell can fill the need, but that is a big step up. Frankly, Tkachuk is on a line similar to that when he played with Backlund. I expect that level of production which is going to hurt.

The blueline is a huge weakness for the Panthers. The loss of Weegar really exposes a huge hole. They are nowhere near as good on the backend as they were last year, which is unfortunate, as they are going to need to keep more pucks out of the net as their offense is nowhere near as scary as it was last season. The combination of the changes in the lineup really makes the Panthers chance of a repeat very difficult, putting it politely.

The Panthers' saving grace is their division has some real weak sisters and several are pretty much out of the mix already. To make the post season the Panthers basically have to beat out Boston. The other teams are pretty much trash. I think the Panthers should grab that 3rd spot in the division, anything higher would be a big surprise.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Cali, look at the losses versus the gains. Florida is in for a rough ride this year. You can say that Tkachuk was a 100+ point player last season, but as a Flames fan you should also be able to look at his performance and recognize he was the third best player on his line. Tkachuk is not a play driver, he's a support player to a highly skilled linemate. Who of Duclair or Bennett is the play driver to make Tkachuk effective? That is a line of support players with no one to carry the puck and make sweet passes for Tkachuk to finish. The best linemate for Tkachuk is Barkov, and that would be putting all the eggs in one basket. Maybe Lundell can fill the need, but that is a big step up. Frankly, Tkachuk is on a line similar to that when he played with Backlund. I expect that level of production which is going to hurt.

The blueline is a huge weakness for the Panthers. The loss of Weegar really exposes a huge hole. They are nowhere near as good on the backend as they were last year, which is unfortunate, as they are going to need to keep more pucks out of the net as their offense is nowhere near as scary as it was last season. The combination of the changes in the lineup really makes the Panthers chance of a repeat very difficult, putting it politely.

The Panthers' saving grace is their division has some real weak sisters and several are pretty much out of the mix already. To make the post season the Panthers basically have to beat out Boston. The other teams are pretty much trash. I think the Panthers should grab that 3rd spot in the division, anything higher would be a big surprise.

The one thing I think you're not taking into account is that Carter Verhaeghe had a monster playoff performance and seems poised to have a bigger year than he had last season. The Panthers likely won't win the PT this season, but they'll be one of the teams in the mix to win the east.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Always Earned Never Given

A puck is flipped to Tkachuk and no Panther comes to the rescue!

I know everyone hates Chucky now cause he plays on another team, but I can 100% promise you that if I was on a team in any sport and someone on the other team flipped/tossed the puck/football/basketball/baseball at one of my teammates, I would be in their face in a heartbeat. I would also expect the same from them if it was directed at me.

Tkachuk is always the first one in if he's on the ice and someone does something to a teammate. I would have been pissed if I was him too.

(I get that Johnny said no one had seen it happen and that everyone was pissed when they saw the replay... but in the heat of the moment, not seeing a single teammate backing me up... that would have been even worse than the actual incident itself.)

Also, I have a problem with this whole "came to his rescue" thing. That's not the mentality I would want on my team or in my dressing room. There are just things you don't do in sports, and especially in hockey. You don't shoot the puck after the whistle, you don't flip the puck back into the net after someone scores and it pops out... and you don't flip the puck at someone on the other team when you just won the game.

What happens to a teammate happens to the team. I don't care who it is. If you do something to one of my guys, you might as well be doing it to me... and anyone who doesn't think like that should just head to the airport right now and wait for the GM to tell you who you're playing for next.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The one thing I think you're not taking into account is that Carter Verhaeghe had a monster playoff performance and seems poised to have a bigger year than he had last season. The Panthers likely won't win the PT this season, but they'll be one of the teams in the mix to win the east.

Teams fall for this all the time.

I like Verhaeghe and he's been great for the past 2 seasons, but I wouldn't bet that a 10 game sample size means he's now going to be over a PPG this season.

He's played on a 60 point pace the last two seasons, and maybe he can get to around a PPG if he's playing with Barkov full time and taking more reps on the top PP unit.

But to me that also means Tkachuk isn't getting 100 points again.

Personally I would put the Panthers between 92-96 points, which is right on the bubble. I think Tampa and Toronto are clearly better, and I think Ottawa has made big strides (although Talbot being hurt risks that) and Boston is always good but have lots of injuries.

As a whole the Eastern conference will be much tighter this year though and I doubt we see 8 clear playoff teams in the East by Christmas like was the case last year.

[dino7c]

Panthers were also 16-6 in games that went to OT

GL with that again

[kermitology]

Yeah, expecting even close to 100 points out of Tkachuk this season is a huge stretch. I'd put money on him being in the 65-75 point range.

[stemit14]

Just saw a YouTube clip of a bunch of a NHL stars answering who they think will score the most goals this season? Most guys said Matthews. A few said Ovechkin.

Huberdeau: “Lindholm’s going to score the most goals cause I’m probably going to play with him.”

Loving this guy already.


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[Hockey_Ninja]

The Panthers are still a very good team and should make the playoffs. Chucky likely won’t score 100 points again this season, but he should still be around a PPG which is all he really needs to do

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Yeah, expecting even close to 100 points out of Tkachuk this season is a huge stretch. I'd put money on him being in the 65-75 point range.

And really that line wouldn't have put up those points in Calgary again either.

They had a great year but shooting 12.4% as a line at 5v5 and rocking a 1.05 PDO isn't very sustainable.

In the playoffs that dipped to 8.9% and a .976 PDO.