2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[sureLoss]

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.@FriedgeHNIC: I think there’s a willingness from the Coyotes to trade Ekman-Larsson and a willingness from him to move. 1 of the issues is that he has a $4m bonus that is due in September. I could see the Coyotes doing it beforehand & teams saying we’re not going to do that now.

[TheScorpion]

Man, OEL seems like such a Flames target. Maloney drafted him, no?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Man, OEL seems like such a Flames target. Maloney drafted him, no?

There are four pieces I'd circle on Arizona:

- OEL
- Raanta
- Dvorak
- Taylor Hall's negotiation rights

I'd be willing to go in heavy on acquiring all four of those. You'd have to be banking on OEL getting out of Arizona and having his game "come back" a bit though, as it wasn't very good this year and is absolutely not worth his contract. He has also been fed absolute rubbish for the most part when it comes to his partners. I honestly can't believe Arizona thought they'd have success with who they've been partnering OEL with.

19/20 has been a cycle of Demers, Lyubushkin, Osterle, and Goligoski.
18/19 was Connauton, Demers, and Osterle

...how do you play those guys with OEL? Good grief Arizona is a poorly run team. I feel like Chayka is running away with a fire burning behind him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Don’t waste big assets on goalies and certainly don’t go get a goalie back as the Center piece of a Gaudreau or Monahan trade.

Goalies are voodoo and unpredictable from year to year from system to system.

I think the Flames could go after a good goaltender if they were to do a salary dump along with it. MA Fleury (25% retained) for Ryan and Rittich ($.625M retained). Cost neutral in 2020-21 and then the Knights save $5.25M in 2021-22.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Man, OEL seems like such a Flames target. Maloney drafted him, no?

Six years at $8.25M remaining? Not a chance. The juice is not worth the squeeze. Fans would hate him after 10 games.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by New Era

Six years at $8.25M remaining? Not a chance. The juice is not worth the squeeze. Fans would hate him after 10 games.

Oh I don't want him either. I just think he seems like a guy the Flames would be all over.

[Lanny_McDonald]

God I hope not.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I’m curious to know why you believe Monahan is the next captain of this team instead of Tkachuk? I’m having a hard time finding a reason.

Seems level headed and has demonstrated a commitment to the flames with his current contract. Tkachuk on the other hand seems like a hot head and I question his long term commitment to Calgary

[ComixZone]

To Arizona: Sean Monahan, Noah Hanifin, Derek Ryan
To CGY: OEL, Christian Dvorak, Anttii Raanta (50% retained), Taylor Hall's negotiation rights.

I think Dvorak > Monahan across 200 feet if Dvorak continues to develop.

OEL with Andersson > Hanifin with Andersson

Raanta + Rittich = new tandem.

Insist Arizona eats $1M of OEL's cap-hit, bringing it down to 7.25M, or maybe add something to get it down to $7M.

Hall - Dvorak - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Lindholm
Gaudreau - Bennett - Dube
Lucic - ? - ?
?

OEL - Andersson
Giordano - ?
Valimaki - ?
?

Raanta
Rittich

6-7.5M to fill in the question marks depending on how much you can get Arizona to retain on OEL. Hall is assumed in on 7x8M, and Mang is 2x2.5M.

You'd be banking on Dvorak continuing to build, as this past year was a big step for him progress wise. OEL making good on returning to form...it's a risky trade, but it is a "hockey trade" that shakes up the core...probably not a "first choice" from my perspective, and it also leaves pretty much no cap-space to give the goalies, Bennett or Dube a raise after their deals expire.

...so uh...woof.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Don’t waste big assets on goalies and certainly don’t go get a goalie back as the Center piece of a Gaudreau or Monahan trade.

Goalies are voodoo and unpredictable from year to year from system to system.

Not to mention that the goalie market is very good this offseason.

[Roof-Daddy]

I guess I'm in the minority but I'd take OEL on the Flames depending on the cost to acquire. He's a top pairing minute muncher. Just turned 29, healthy all the time, good for half a point per game. Good skater, good puck mover.

[SeanCharles]

Yea we do need another leftshot dman...

:/

[Jaydee]

We should try and get Garland

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Corral

Seems level headed and has demonstrated a commitment to the flames with his current contract. Tkachuk on the other hand seems like a hot head and I question his long term commitment to Calgary

"Hot head" is a weird way to describe Tkachuk.

If anything, I think he is pretty cool—he doesn't get rattled; he doesn't play in to baiting by opposing players. Yes, he is an agitator and a massive nuisance on the ice, but also extremely smart about it. I cannot think of a single time in Tkachuk's career where I felt like he let his own emotions get in the way, or that he cost his team by being selfish or careless.

Quite the opposite: Kaveman Kassian and Doughy Doughty are "hot heads"; Tkachuk is the one who sets them off, which is exactly how you want it to play out.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Dvorak is better than Monahan?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

There are four pieces I'd circle on Arizona:

- OEL
- Raanta
- Dvorak
- Taylor Hall's negotiation rights

I'd be willing to go in heavy on acquiring all four of those. You'd have to be banking on OEL getting out of Arizona and having his game "come back" a bit though, as it wasn't very good this year and is absolutely not worth his contract. He has also been fed absolute rubbish for the most part when it comes to his partners. I honestly can't believe Arizona thought they'd have success with who they've been partnering OEL with.

19/20 has been a cycle of Demers, Lyubushkin, Osterle, and Goligoski.
18/19 was Connauton, Demers, and Osterle

...how do you play those guys with OEL? Good grief Arizona is a poorly run team. I feel like Chayka is running away with a fire burning behind him.

I am not sure how the owners would feel about it (probably not good), but if the Flames were willing to take on OEL before his bonus is due, you could probably leverage an additional asset (like Hall's negotiating rights, or maybe Raanta).

It would be like the old days when teams used to be allowed to throw in cash as part of a trade.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by New Era

Dvorak is better than Monahan?

Monahan is becoming underrated pretty quick. I get he is not a top tier #1 centre but his is still a low end #1. I cannot wait to see the offense pop under Dvorak as our #1C.

Do people forget what is was like with Iginla and not even a low end #1?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Monahan is becoming underrated pretty quick. I get he is not a top tier #1 centre but his is still a low end #1. I cannot wait to see the offense pop under Dvorak as our #1C.

Do people forget what is was like with Iginla and not even a low end #1?

It's a bit of a reach for me for sure. The more I look, the more I was over-valuing the 19/20 season and Dvorak being two years younger.

I just love the idea of Hall - Dvorak - Tkachuk, but even by the end of my post I was well into the "hey, this is a bad idea" - but still put it out there as a "hockey trade".

The more I look at the 19/20 season, the more I also think this core shouldn't be blown up. It was just a bad season for the entire team. Just one of those "off years", and if it wasn't for the bloody play-in round upsets, we'd be drafting 16th rather than 19th. Although watching the Oilers lose to the Hawks...probably worth it.

[MrMike]

I don’t want either Columbus goalie in a trade. Look at what Bobrovsky does after leaving. I think their goalies are more a product of their play style and not overall skill.

[DomeFoam]

Im curious as to why we would target a big ticket goalie when we know we aren't winning anything anytime soon? Why back the truck up for a goalie when the team in front of him wont get it done? Goaltending wasn't the issue this playoff.

Maybe by the time Wolf is ready (hoping he develops into a starter), the 1C we draft or trade for is ready as well.