Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

What’s really worrying about this from a Flames perspective is the “Jeff Carter to Columbus” possibility. Anaheim probably doesn’t have to worry about that scenario.

If he's set on the Rangers, the Flames could be facilitators. But itd have to be a bountiful haul for the Flames to make it work because they'd have to pony up themselves to make an eichel to CGY happen.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I was just listening to Tim & Friends from yesterday. Mike Fuda mentioned that Eichel has made it clear that he wants to go to New York. Fuda also mentioned that Kevin Adams probably doesn't want to trade him to a market that close to Buffalo.

Also interesting, Fuda mentioned two other teams that he thinks are involved in talks with Buffalo is Anaheim and Calgary.

If the ‘no trade to Eastern teams’ rumour is true, Flames could do really well if they made the Eichel trade, then traded him in 2 years to the East, as that may be full rebuild time anyway.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If he's set on the Rangers, the Flames could be facilitators. But itd have to be a bountiful haul for the Flames to make it work because they'd have to pony up themselves to make an eichel to CGY happen.

He doesn’t get to pick his place. He has no trade protection. He will go where he will go. It’s not like he’s only signed for a year. Buffalo doesn’t give two ####s where he wants to go, if anything I’m sure they’d want to send him to the last place he wants to be.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

What’s really worrying about this from a Flames perspective is the “Jeff Carter to Columbus” possibility. Anaheim probably doesn’t have to worry about that scenario.

I think any trade for eichel would have to require access to speak with him and his agent directly before any deal goes through. Not only to discuss his injury and treatment but also because Treliving would need to make sure he would be happy to be part of the flames. Considering the assets that the flames would have to give up to get him, it’s a requirement before any deal gets done. There is no point in getting eichel if he is not happy to be here long term.


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[JBR]

Fully prepared for Eichel to Vegas, no other changes to the Flames roster, and fans like me living and dying with the team as they play at or near the playoff bubble again.

The offseason excitement and hoping the Flames “go for it” or make significant changes has completely fizzled. Not blaming management - maybe they just couldn’t make any deals.. just something Flames fans will continue to live with year after year.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by MrMike

He doesn’t get to pick his place. He has no trade protection. He will go where he will go. It’s not like he’s only signed for a year. Buffalo doesn’t give two ####s where he wants to go, if anything I’m sure they’d want to send him to the last place he wants to be.

He absolutely gets to pick his place. He's already picking his place by wanting out of Buffalo.

You don't want to trade for him just for him to demand another trade.

[GioforPM]

I suspect precise location isn’t an issue for Eichel aside from (a) will they let him go ahead with surgery and (b) maybe taxes.

[Monahammer]

Feelings and opinions can change after a trade happens. If Eichel were traded here and started getting calls from Hanifin, Johnny, may Tkachuk if he's not in the trade... I bet he becomes interested in at least testing the waters! And if that doesn't work out you trade him next year to the rangers for a similar haul.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by MrMike

He doesn’t get to pick his place. He has no trade protection. He will go where he will go. It’s not like he’s only signed for a year. Buffalo doesn’t give two ####s where he wants to go, if anything I’m sure they’d want to send him to the last place he wants to be.

No, he doesn't get to puck his place. But good business is good business anyways. If the Rangers want him so badly but their phone number is blocked in the Sabers offices, then you facilitate a deal to make sure you get bonus assets to make it work for both parties (Rangers and Eichel)

So if they want him go go after their Jugular a bit and get Chytil and Kakko and extras to cover the Flames C.O.A.

If Eichel wants the Rangers and the ranger want eichel, it's the best way and possibly the most profitable for the facilitating western team.

Besides, I really like this idea more than taking on the risk of Eichel and his neck on top of not really wanting to be anywhere but the Rangers.

If everyone I happy, then it's a win.

[Toonage]

^^ The only problem there is the Flames end up with the same potential conundrum they might have with Tkachuk. Everyone knows he wants to go the Rangers so the haul would be significantly less would it not?

[868904]

Let's not get all worked up about a players preference.

Every player has a preference and I doubt Calgary is a preference for many players.

If we only acquired players who had Calgary as their number one choice, we'd have no team to cheer for.

There's enough reasons for Eichel to show up in Calgary if he's acquired:

- friends on the team, Hanifin, Gaudreau, maybe Tkachuk;
- competitive fire maybe to go head to head with Mcdavid on a regular basis;
- just happy to play and get out of Buffalo;
- optics of snubbing another team;
- surgery preference;
- being out of the circus that is the Sabres;
- Stanley Cup winning coach who knows what he's doing.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^^ The only problem there is the Flames end up with the same potential conundrum they might have with Tkachuk. Everyone knows he wants to go the Rangers so the haul would be significantly less would it not?

Then you say "sorry Jack" and have him play out the last 4 years of his contract. Not an analogous situation to Tkachuk as one is actually locked in for real money long term. He's not going to choose to forgo money (that's the entire reason he hasn't already gotten the surgery.)

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^^ The only problem there is the Flames end up with the same potential conundrum they might have with Tkachuk. Everyone knows he wants to go the Rangers so the haul would be significantly less would it not?

Not really. The ranger were offering up a pretty stellar haul apparently to get Buffalo to move him there already. This scenario essentially guarantees the Flames and Rangers already have the acceptable deal in place in order for the Flames to make it work. Because if the Rangers want to play hardball, then they're up a creek with no way to get Eichel to his preferred destination.

Scenarios like this don't go down without agreements in place.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The last time Treliving made a trade involving key players were June 2018 when Hamilton wanted out, so don’t hold your breath

Either he wants too much or the Flames players do not have as much value as people think

Way to summarize the only two conclusions in transaction you know nothing about.

Most are saying Buffalo is asking too much ... which is clear as it's not done with any team yet.

Or it could be done as we speak with some issues to iron out around the medical side.

[Toonage]

Well, before he hates it here, first things first. Get him here without breaking the bank/depleting the system.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MrMike

He doesn’t get to pick his place. He has no trade protection. He will go where he will go. It’s not like he’s only signed for a year. Buffalo doesn’t give two ####s where he wants to go, if anything I’m sure they’d want to send him to the last place he wants to be.

In theory, but in practice Eichel absolutely gets to pick his place.

If Eichel says he will only report to X location who else is going to want to trade for him? All the leverage is in Eichel's court. If a GM trades for him and Eichel doesn't want to be there he can go play in Europe for millions tax free and still get his money.

What's the GM going to do in that case? Terminate his contract? It's no win for a GM if Eichel insists his demands are met.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MrMike

He doesn’t get to pick his place. He has no trade protection. He will go where he will go. It’s not like he’s only signed for a year. Buffalo doesn’t give two ####s where he wants to go, if anything I’m sure they’d want to send him to the last place he wants to be.

You may want to remind yourself why Buffalo is then trading him, if he has no choice.

[FlamesAddiction]

The Flames have actually had decent luck with American born players that liked Calgary.

If I am being 100% honest, if I was an NHL player, I would target playing in warmer cities. After that though, huge cities are just not my cup of tea. I live in the GVRD right now, and it's even a little too big for my liking.

I am obviously not Jack Eichel who grew up within the gravity of a massive city like Boston and may be into that, but for me personally, if I had to play north of the Dixon line, I would prefer Calgary over New York. Swear to Batu the goat god, living is such a large city without at least the benefit of a warm climate would drive me bonkers.

[Psytic]

That guy is too Hollywood ( or I guess Broadway?), changes my whole outlook on this. I like the sound of being the facilitator though with NYC. If we get him and hang onto him and he ends up like Laine either through lack of motivation or health issues we may have issues recouping on the asset flip. If he really doesn't want to be any where than NYC I'm all for being a creative middleman without taking on that risk though.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The Flames have actually had decent luck with American born players that liked Calgary.

If I am being 100% honest, if I was an NHL player, I would target playing in warmer cities. After that though, huge cities are just not my cup of tea. I live in the GVRD right now, and it's even a little too big for my liking.

I am obviously not Jack Eichel who grew up within the gravity of a massive city like Boston and may be into that, but for me personally, if I had to play north of the Dixon line, I would prefer Calgary over New York. Swear to Batu the goat god, living is such a large city without at least the benefit of a warm climate would drive me bonkers.

All anecdotal obviously, but a lot of Americans that I met when I lived in the US would never dream of moving to NYC or California. Florida also is the butt end of most jokes in the US, especially from Northeasterners. A lot of my American friends living in the deep south or the east coast dreamed about escaping the humidity, being close to the mountains and being close to nature. Most had plans to move to Idaho, Montana, Utah or Colorado at some point in their life. When I would tell them I'm from Calgary, the ones that knew where that was would talk poetically for 20 minutes about the rocky mountains, the snow and the "nice people".

Anyways, obviously I wasn't interacting with 25 year old nhl players, but the point is, lots of Americans would have no issue with living in Western Canada. Just because a lot of Canadians dream about living beside the beach or in NYC, it doesn't mean that it's also the most popular lifestyle choice for Americans.