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View Poll Results: What will happen to Brad Treliving after the end of the season?
He should and will be fired 167 17.06%
He should be fired, but will continue as the Flames GM 277 28.29%
He should not and will not be fired 288 29.42%
He should not but will be fired 27 2.76%
Unsure if he should be, but he will be fired 37 3.78%
Unsure if he should be, but he will not be fired 183 18.69%
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Old 05-18-2021, 09:12 PM   #3621
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I don’t think it is weird at all. What needs to be said recently that can’t wait until the season is over? It sounds like people expected Brad to address the media when they were mathematically eliminated?
Agreed. I seem to recall the same things being said 2017-18.
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Old 05-18-2021, 09:17 PM   #3622
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Brad Treling needs to go....

Get Ian Clark from Vancouver and fire Jordan Sigalet
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Old 05-18-2021, 09:24 PM   #3623
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I don’t think it is weird at all. What needs to be said recently that can’t wait until the season is over? It sounds like people expected Brad to address the media when they were mathematically eliminated?
It hasn't just been since they were mathematically eliminated. Since Sutter was hired, Treliving hasn't said much at all. It could just be confirmation bias, but it seems that way to me anyway.
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Old 05-19-2021, 01:34 PM   #3624
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Treliving on SN right now with Leslie so that possibly ends the speculation about why is isn’t talking to the media.
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Old 05-19-2021, 01:36 PM   #3625
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Treliving on SN right now with Leslie so that possibly ends the speculation about why is isn’t talking to the media.
Saying some pretty good things about his own responsibility and player responsibility. No individuals under the bus, or coaches, just the team. And himself.
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Old 05-19-2021, 01:38 PM   #3626
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Sounds like a dead man walkin.
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Old 05-19-2021, 04:00 PM   #3627
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I do feel like this organization could use the POHO position as I think it allows GM changes to happen a little easier. In my opinion Burke should still be here and hiring his second GM.

With Davidson on the market it is crazy to not pursue him given the current state of the organization and this current iteration of the Flames needs significant change immediately.
With Burke (4 yrs together):
- Hamonic trade
- Elliott trade
- Brouwer signing and BO
- Bennett's prime development years
- Gulutzan

- Michael Stone trade and signing (eventually BO)
- Mike Smith trade
- Raymond signing and BO
- Losing Byron
- Bollig trade (3rd rder)
- Lazar trade

- 2014 draft faliures (0 gp other than Bennett despite picks 34, 54, 64)
- Hamilton trade*

- Bill Peters was hired 5 days before Burke was finished...*


Post-Burke (3 yrs)

- Neal signing
- Bennett's continued development failure and trade

- Kulak trade
- Ward

- Lose Brodie/Hamonic as UFAs with no return*
- Picks for Gus, Bort, Fantenberg*
- Tkachuk contract*
- League min. guys this year not working out well*

*debatable as a 'blunder', but notable/discussion worthy


We don't know specific job descriptions and delineation of responsibilities, but IMO it's reasonable to expect that a POHO would:
- serve as a second set of sober eyes/check and balance to avoid blunders on major decisions
- help develop and guide the big-picture/long-term strategy
- buffer from ownership and translate their expectations to be prudent and sensible
- help diagnose problems and propose possible solutions

Put another way, Burke should have been a better voice of reason:

"Goaltending is an issue...(A) we probably aren't ready to contend so it's probably better to roll the dice on unproven options with long-term upside.
OR
(B) it's worth it to pay the price now for a more established guy".

"We were just swept by the big bad Ducks, and we've lost Wideman and Engelland, creating an obvious hole at RD. Not sure we can come back with Elliott, either. Not many easy solutions as UFAs. (A) we might have a log-jam brewing at C with Sean/Backlund/Bennett/Janko/Stajan; C's are always coveted...we could probably afford to move one to plug one of those holes since we've already given up our 2nd and 3rd this year.
OR
(B) here's a gun loaded with a bunch of draft picks...let's blow our brains out!".


I'm not saying Burke deserves more blame than Brad, but it's a simple fact that he was here for most of the true blunders. Harder to ascribe specific smaller operational decisions, though collectively they tie into the big-picture issues.

It's hard to parse the on-ice results. I'd argue Burke deserves plenty of credit for 18-19 even though he was gone. Conversely, most of the players we mortgaged the future for are now obsolete, and we are beginning to feel the corresponding pain.

Lastly, IMO Hamonic/Elliott/Brouwer are worse blunders than Neal, all things considered.
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Old 05-19-2021, 05:56 PM   #3628
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Is he gone yet?
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Old 05-19-2021, 06:02 PM   #3629
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Impressive comeback in late returns for the “he should not and will not be fired”. The heater at the end may have restored confidence in the process with late deciders and a hope to allow Brad to build something special in Calgary.
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Old 05-19-2021, 07:35 PM   #3630
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Impressive comeback in late returns for the “he should not and will not be fired”. The heater at the end may have restored confidence in the process with late deciders and a hope to allow Brad to build something special in Calgary.
I doubt that's a factor for most. At most speculative on your part that it is.

Unless of course you were just making fun of people who have a different view than you. In which case carry on I guess.
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Old 05-19-2021, 07:56 PM   #3631
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Treliving on SN right now with Leslie so that possibly ends the speculation about why is isn’t talking to the media.
Summary? Or can you share a link to the interview. Cant find it on SN.
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Old 05-19-2021, 08:42 PM   #3632
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I doubt that's a factor for most. At most speculative on your part that it is.

Unless of course you were just making fun of people who have a different view than you. In which case carry on I guess.
I think the speculative is implied by the use of the word “may”
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Old 05-19-2021, 08:44 PM   #3633
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Summary? Or can you share a link to the interview. Cant find it on SN.
It was just a pre game interview with Leslie. Nothing earth shattering and I am sure we will hear a bunch from him tomorrow
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It was just a pre game interview with Leslie. Nothing earth shattering and I am sure we will hear a bunch from him tomorrow
Yeah, generic “what went wrong” and “what disappointed you” questions. He named himself first, so there’s that.
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Old 05-21-2021, 09:10 AM   #3635
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Anything more on Futa?
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Old 05-21-2021, 09:29 AM   #3636
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Not everything is Treliving’s fault. Players are also going to have to be held accountable. Hopefully that doesn’t get lost in the shuffle.
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players do need to be help accountable for sure but who chose to have those players?
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Old 05-21-2021, 10:06 AM   #3638
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players do need to be help accountable for sure but who chose to have those players?
And whose responsibility is it to get the most out of those players?
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Old 05-21-2021, 11:08 AM   #3639
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Hathaway and Lomberg are guys we desperately need in our bottom 6, not these other plugs he keeps signing every fcking year. Ridiculous
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Hathaway and Lomberg are guys we desperately need in our bottom 6, not these other plugs he keeps signing every fcking year. Ridiculous
We desperately need a guy that scored 2 goals and 4 points this year?
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