2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I wonder if the Flames might use Hanafin to pursue a goalie (Murray or one of the CBJ’s goalies).

I believe Treliving had tried to get Murray out of Pittsburgh before he had won his cups.

They would probably go for a UFA first

[Vinny01]

One trade that has been mentioned here and makes sense to me is sending both Monahan and Gaudreau to Buffalo for Reinhart, Montour, Cozens, 8th overall.

For Buffalo the deal is all about Eichel. They fill a huge need on the team adding Monahan to be the 2nd line center. Eichel also gets Gaudreau to be his new winger. If Buffalo added a goalie and Eichel, and Dahlen keep ascending that team could contend next year. They move 2 roster players that are RFA with Arb rights so they remove those negotiations. They move 2 assets not on their current roster that fill a couple of huge needs of a 2nd line C and some star power for their franchise player.

For the Flames they shake things up big time. They add 2 right shots which is a critical need and at 24 and 26 they will be signed to 4-6 year contracts and be top 6 forward and top 4 D. They likely save $3M in cap space with this deal. Adding Cozens and the 8th pick are key pieces for the future that will be contributing as early as next year but more likely in 2 years.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

MacKinnon played RW in his rookie season, on their first line with Landeskog and Stastny. I believe ROR also played wing that year. That team had its five best forwards in its top six.

Ahh.. you could be right but I recall Roy saying it was hard for Mackinnon to accept 3C icetime - he wanted to keep going out there. I recall Roy saying it was good to have him wanting to make a difference but he should learn from the other two..I could have it wrong though.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

One trade that has been mentioned here and makes sense to me is sending both Monahan and Gaudreau to Buffalo for Reinhart, Montour, Cozens, 8th overall.

For Buffalo the deal is all about Eichel. They fill a huge need on the team adding Monahan to be the 2nd line center. Eichel also gets Gaudreau to be his new winger. If Buffalo added a goalie and Eichel, and Dahlen keep ascending that team could contend next year. They move 2 roster players that are RFA with Arb rights so they remove those negotiations. They move 2 assets not on their current roster that fill a couple of huge needs of a 2nd line C and some star power for their franchise player.

For the Flames they shake things up big time. They add 2 right shots which is a critical need and at 24 and 26 they will be signed to 4-6 year contracts and be top 6 forward and top 4 D. They likely save $3M in cap space with this deal. Adding Cozens and the 8th pick are key pieces for the future that will be contributing as early as next year but more likely in 2 years.

I think for me I'd need Mittlestadt added. I think you can get close to that trade for either Gaudreau or Monahan.

Essentially:
Gaudreau for 8th OV, Reinhart, Montour
Monahan for Cozens

so it's close in value but I think Monahan gets more than just Cozens which is why I would want to see that extra bullet in the chamber in Mittlestadt added.

Monahan for Cozens + Mittlestadt is a lot closer imo

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

I think for me I'd need Mittlestadt added. I think you can get close to that trade for either Gaudreau or Monahan.

Essentially:
Gaudreau for 8th OV, Reinhart, Montour
Monahan for Cozens

so it's close in value but I think Monahan gets more than just Cozens which is why I would want to see that extra bullet in the chamber in Mittlestadt added.

Monahan for Cozens + Mittlestadt is a lot closer imo

I would be happy with that if Middlestat is expansion exempt. If he is not maybe add a 2nd round pick to the deal from Buffalo?

I wonder if that could set up a deal with Chicago around Hanifin for Strome?

Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Hall-Strome-Reinhart
Dube-Bennett-Mangipane
Lucic-Middlestat-Reider

Cozens, 8th overall, 19th overall as prospects. Valimaki and Montour replace Hanifin and Brodie. Kylington is the number 5 and a vet is signed for 6 with Mackey the 7th?

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Corral

He’s a 1C. There’s just a sourness on CP that needs to pass. I personally think he is the next captain of this team although I appreciate that will not be a popular opinion around here.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They would probably go for a UFA first

Seems like the UFA route would be more of a stopgap strategy.

Sounds like Markstrom and the Canucks will get something sorted out. He likes them, they like him. I doubt he leaves. Lehner has let it be known he wants term. I suspect there will be some sort of bidding war, do the Flames want to go down that road?

Outside of that, Talbot seems to be the most likely, but how much term are you giving him? 2 years, 3? Will Wolf/Parsons/Zag be ready by the

3 years ago I thought Smith was a smart add because Gilles would be ready to take the crease at the end of Smith’s deal. Didn’t workout that way.

For the Flames to become a cup contender. They’re going to have to get better between the pipes. Personally, I’d go after Murray or one of the CBJ goalies.

[Sandman]

Rutherford said he was going to trade one of his goalies-what if we could get Jarry? I would be very happy with that. He's still young, learning the ropes, and putting up good numbers. He'd be a great tandem with Talbot if we re-signed him.

[dammage79]

Id give up an overpay for Korpisalo. Man alive that'd be like Kipper 2.0 IMO. You get that trade done ASAP if you can. He is and will be an even stronger legit #1 as the next few seasons progress.

Hell, I'd trade Gaudreau for Korpisalo , Anderson and Marchenko.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Id give up an overpay for Korpisalo. Man alive that'd be like Kipper 2.0 IMO. You get that trade done ASAP if you can. He is and will be an even stronger legit #1 as the next few seasons progress.

Hell, I'd trade Gaudreau for Korpisalo , Anderson and Marchenko.

Korpisalo had a .911 last year, but an .897 the year before, an .897 before that and a .905 before that, and has never played more than 37 games (and only 127 games in his career during the regular season). The only strong season he had was way back in his rookie season in 2015/2016 when he posted a .920 in 31 games.

That’s a big hell no from me. He’s also 26 and has been playing in a Torts system.

Hell no. Hell no. That is a horrible trade for the Flames.

[Abatedmean]

This offseason, it is going to be fun. Thankfully it wont be as long as usual. But man is it going to be fun. There are so many ways that this can go and no matter what happens half of this place is gonna be pissed and the other half wont be. More and more exciting as we get closer to the draft in 6 weeks.

To add to above. Korpisalo would be great, dont know why the Jackets move him tho.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Id give up an overpay for Korpisalo. Man alive that'd be like Kipper 2.0 IMO. You get that trade done ASAP if you can. He is and will be an even stronger legit #1 as the next few seasons progress.

Hell, I'd trade Gaudreau for Korpisalo , Anderson and Marchenko.

Do the Jackets like Elvis enough that they would be willing to part with Korpisalo? Cuz I would back up the truck for him too. Start by offering Rittich to give them another Goalie, then pile on.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Corral

He’s a 1C. There’s just a sourness on CP that needs to pass. I personally think he is the next captain of this team although I appreciate that will not be a popular opinion around here.

I’m curious to know why you believe Monahan is the next captain of this team instead of Tkachuk? I’m having a hard time finding a reason.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Do the Jackets like Elvis enough that they would be willing to part with Korpisalo? Cuz I would back up the truck for him too. Start by offering Rittich to give them another Goalie, then pile on.

This is all sorts of recency bias.

Yeah the dude was awesome for the Jackets in these playoffs but he has been absolutely nothing special his entire career - and he’s playing in front of a Torts team.

David Rittich is better than Korpisalo, and neither is all that great.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Id give up an overpay for Korpisalo. Man alive that'd be like Kipper 2.0 IMO. You get that trade done ASAP if you can. He is and will be an even stronger legit #1 as the next few seasons progress.

Hell, I'd trade Gaudreau for Korpisalo , Anderson and Marchenko.

Treliving should be done with spending any more assets on goaltenders. There are so many goaltenders on the market that overpaying for a potential flash in the pan would just be a waste. What if Korpisalo sinks here like Bobrovsky did in Florida this year?

Honestly, if I’m Treliving, I’m going with the same tandem of Talbot and Rittich. Goaltending was not a weak point for the Flames at any point this season. In fact, I’d argue they were the team’s MVPs at various times this season.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is all sorts of recency bias.

Yeah the dude was awesome for the Jackets in these playoffs but he has been absolutely nothing special his entire career - and he’s playing in front of a Torts team.

David Rittich is better than Korpisalo, and neither is all that great.

No recency bias here, I've liked him his entire career. I think that Rittich has weaknesses that teams have honed in on that diminishes his effectiveness.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is all sorts of recency bias.

Yeah the dude was awesome for the Jackets in these playoffs but he has been absolutely nothing special his entire career - and he’s playing in front of a Torts team.

David Rittich is better than Korpisalo, and neither is all that great.

Kinda like Sam Bennett?

Sorry, low hanging fruit, I know.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Kinda like Sam Bennett?

Sorry, low hanging fruit, I know.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Kinda like Sam Bennett?

Sorry, low hanging fruit, I know.

Except not really at all, but cheeky response noted and appreciated.

Korpisalo has one stretch of 9 games dating back to 2016 where he's proven he's anything above replacement level, and there's nothing in the underlying numbers that show he's any sort of hidden gem (unlike Bennett).

2019/2020: -0.375% save above expected
2018/2019: -0.898% save above expected
2017/2018: -0.997% save above expected
2016/2017: 0.102% save above expected
2015/2016: 0.347% save above expected

15/16 he was very good and I remember being excited about him back then. Everything about that rookie year for him was promising. Since then? Not good/nothing special.


If we're talking goalies, Matt Murray also fell off a damn cliff this last season and is a redemption project at this stag as he was "just okay" the year before. He's really hurt since Fleury left.

For comparison, Rittich had a -0.313 this year while Talbot had a -0.379.

If we are targeting goalies who may be available and may "surprise" people, I really look at Anttii Raanta. With Kuemper taking that net, Raanta could potentially be available. He has had injury issues though.

[SuperMatt18]

Don’t waste big assets on goalies and certainly don’t go get a goalie back as the Center piece of a Gaudreau or Monahan trade.

Goalies are voodoo and unpredictable from year to year from system to system.