2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I love Gaudreau, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about his size in the playoffs. That's the only reason I'm looking at potential trade deals for him.

It's not just about his size, either. I wouldn't mind his size so much if we had skilled players that could physically make sure he had enough room out there when the games get rough (ie. playoffs). Someone like Simmonds would increase Gaudreau's level of play almost overnight, but how can we add someone like that? I don't think we have the assets to add someone like Simmonds to our roster without impacting our second line.

So, if we can't get someone like Simmonds who can protect Gaudreau while also being able to play with Gaudreau, then maybe the answer is to move Gaudreau for someone that doesn't need to be protected.

Once you come to that conclusion, there's a whole bunch of possible outcomes. Some of which might even solve some other areas in addition. Like, Gaudreau + ? for Simmonds and Gudas for example.


Edit: My point in a nutshell:
- Regardless of how awesome he is, Gaudreau will always be 6 inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter than whomever is checking him, and in the playoffs, when games are rougher, that's a serious thing
- Adding someone skilled enough to play with Gaudreau and mean/big enough to protect Gaudreau will cost a considerable amount
- Resulting choice: Keep Gaudreau, add someone skilled that can protect him and pay whatever that costs, or trade Gaudreau for someone that doesn't need protecting and potentially plug another hole in the process

I understand the concern but to me that's a little cart before the horse. I think when you are a cup contender like the Capitals that have failed in the playoffs for years then you start to look at moving your best regular season players for a type that may be more successful in the playoffs. The Flames are not at a stage in their development where you can consider trading 23 year old skilled players for bigger bodies that will not likely contribute as much in the regular season. This team needs Gaudreau's 60-70+ point seasons to be a viable playoff team.

The issue with Gaudreau is that since Hudler (in his career season) has been out of the picture he hasn't had an opposing winger that demands attention. As long as the likes of Ferland, Chiasson, etc are lining up on the right side teams will be happy to deploy their best checkers on one player. He needs help and outside of a starting goaltender a stud RW is the team's most glaring need.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I am neither for nor against Gaudreau, but his latest season was a real departure from the previous two and I'm somewhat anxious to find out if it was an aberration or his new normal.

Agreed. I got my head in the clouds with Gaudreau during the World Cup. I thought he was the best forward on that team North America and was throwing the term "generational" to others in my office. I made a bet he would outscore McDavid this year. Based off Gaudreau's college career he was poised to keep moving forward.

This season Gaudreau got hit more than he ever has before and didn't pull off as many moves as he did in years past. He is an elite player and has been hit with some adversity. I am excited to see how he responds.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He is an elite player and has been hit with some adversity. I am excited to see how he responds.

A secret camera recorded his offseason hand-strengthening program.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Agreed. I got my head in the clouds with Gaudreau during the World Cup. I thought he was the best forward on that team North America and was throwing the term "generational" to others in my office. I made a bet he would outscore McDavid this year. Based off Gaudreau's college career he was poised to keep moving forward.

This season Gaudreau got hit more than he ever has before and didn't pull off as many moves as he did in years past. He is an elite player and has been hit with some adversity. I am excited to see how he responds.

Never bet, Especially when its against a player like McDavid who is a generational exception to the rule. Unless of course you enjoy losing money.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Would love radulov to play RW on that top line. What's the word on him? Ufa?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Would love radulov to play RW on that top line. What's the word on him? Ufa?

McKenzie speculated 4 or 5 years with an AAV well north of $6 million.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Never bet, Especially when its against a player like McDavid who is a generational exception to the rule. Unless of course you enjoy losing money.

Yeah it was a lesson learned. I also bet for the second straight season Bennett would outscore Draisaitl. I ended it after the second loss. Not going to go double or nothing with Connor-Johnny

[FanIn80]

Radulov would be a brilliant signing for this team, imo.

[Ashasx]

Radulov is about to turn 31 and that really scares me.

[CliffFletcher]

Gaudreau had 30 pts in his last 30 games this season. So once he got his game going, he was a productive as he's ever been in the NHL. His play in the Anaheim series is concerning more for his mental attitude than his size. He let the Ducks frustrate him.

For me, the reason to deal Gaudreau wouldn't have anything to do with production or his size. It would be more about getting a stellar offer from an American team looking to bank on his entertainment value, and him being happier playing close to home. That's why if the Flyers approached the Flames with a deal centred around Giroux, the Flames should listen.

[dino7c]

JG dominates at world tournaments playing with and against the best of the best

If he is traded somewhere and gets to play with...oh I don't know an NHL caliber 1st line RWer we are going be making threads crying about trading a 90+ point player

[bax]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Gaudreau had 30 pts in his last 30 games this season. So once he got his game going, he was a productive as he's ever been in the NHL. His play in the Anaheim series is concerning more for his mental attitude than his size. He let the Ducks frustrate him.

For me, the reason to deal Gaudreau wouldn't have anything to do with production or his size. It would be more about getting a stellar offer from an American team looking to bank on his entertainment value, and him being happier playing close to home. That's why if the Flyers approached the Flames with a deal centred around Giroux, the Flames should listen.

Giroux wasn't very good this year in my opinion. 58 points and a -15.

His point totals have declined 3 years in a row now. Trading Johnny for an older player with a higher salary just doesn't make any sense at all.

[Roof-Daddy]

So going back to FanIn80's question, what would I want in return if Gaudreau were traded?

Well I'd want good young players with years of team control left. I don't know if this is realistic or not, but there are rumors that Carolina, due to defensive depth, are willing to move Hanifin but they'd want an impact forward in return more than likely.

I hate doing trade proposals on here, because just like real trades, you can never win with everyone, so somebody always comes along and craps on it, and just like with everything else the people who are negative towards something are always much louder than the people who like something. But here goes....

Gaudreau is a star and would help Carolina put butts in the seats. Kylington would give them a nice defense prospect who may be able to slide into their bottom pair as early as next season.


Gaudreau
Kylington

for

Lindholm
Hanifin
Gauthier

Flames get a skilled 22 year old right shot forward in Lindholm. He's nowhere near as good as Johnny, but still brings skill and would instantly be our 1st line RW if GG chose to play him on the wing.

Also get a potential franchise Dman in Hanifin, who can skate really well and also has a good frame at 6'3 210lbs.

Also pick up a big (6'4" 230lb) right wing prospect who can skate really well. Based on his size and skating alone I would suspect he'd push for a roster spot as early as next season.

I don't think a trade like that would be terrible either way, and would probably help both teams. Only thing is, with Carolina they already have Aho and Skinner as their top two left wings, so maybe they'd rather put one of those two into the deal instead of Lindholm. I dunno.

Just an example, but I'd be looking for 25 and under players in return, but more NHL players as opposed to magic beans, like prospects and/or picks.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Gaudreau had 30 pts in his last 30 games this season. So once he got his game going, he was a productive as he's ever been in the NHL. His play in the Anaheim series is concerning more for his mental attitude than his size. He let the Ducks frustrate him.

For me, the reason to deal Gaudreau wouldn't have anything to do with production or his size. It would be more about getting a stellar offer from an American team looking to bank on his entertainment value, and him being happier playing close to home. That's why if the Flyers approached the Flames with a deal centred around Giroux, the Flames should listen.

I agree with most of your sentiments, but it seems like Giroux is trending down. Plus, Johnny is five years younger, and Claude isn't much bigger.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So going back to FanIn80's question, what would I want in return if Gaudreau were traded?

Well I'd want good young players with years of team control left. I don't know if this is realistic or not, but there are rumors that Carolina, due to defensive depth, are willing to move Hanifin but they'd want an impact forward in return more than likely.

I hate doing trade proposals on here, because just like real trades, you can never win with everyone, so somebody always comes along and craps on it, and just like with everything else the people who are negative towards something are always much louder than the people who like something. But here goes....

Gaudreau is a star and would help Carolina put butts in the seats. Kylington would give them a nice defense prospect who may be able to slide into their bottom pair as early as next season.


Gaudreau
Kylington

for

Lindholm
Hanifin
Gauthier

Flames get a skilled 22 year old right shot forward in Lindholm. He's nowhere near as good as Johnny, but still brings skill and would instantly be our 1st line RW if GG chose to play him on the wing.

Also get a potential franchise Dman in Hanifin, who can skate really well and also has a good frame at 6'3 210lbs.

Also pick up a big (6'4" 230lb) right wing prospect who can skate really well. Based on his size and skating alone I would suspect he'd push for a roster spot as early as next season.

I don't think a trade like that would be terrible either way, and would probably help both teams. Only thing is, with Carolina they already have Aho and Skinner as their top two left wings, so maybe they'd rather put one of those two into the deal instead of Lindholm. I dunno.

Just an example, but I'd be looking for 25 and under players in return, but more NHL players as opposed to magic beans, like prospects and/or picks.

Including Kylington in that deal makes it really ugly for the Flames. Hanifin would be awesome but Lindholm doesn't do much for me. Perhaps he is one of those Swedish late bloomers that doesn't hit his stride in the league until he is 27-30 (Backlund and the Sedins are examples).

I like the one for one deal for Mackinnon which was suggested earlier. If the Flyers gave the number 2 pick with a good player would also entice.

As many have stated though I can't see Gaudreau getting traded one year after signing a monster 6 year deal

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Gaudreau had 30 pts in his last 30 games this season. So once he got his game going, he was a productive as he's ever been in the NHL. His play in the Anaheim series is concerning more for his mental attitude than his size. He let the Ducks frustrate him.

For me, the reason to deal Gaudreau wouldn't have anything to do with production or his size. It would be more about getting a stellar offer from an American team looking to bank on his entertainment value, and him being happier playing close to home. That's why if the Flyers approached the Flames with a deal centred around Giroux, the Flames should listen.

Philly needs to have the number 2 pick, plus a replacement player in a deal for Gaudreau.

#2, Schenn, Sanheim and I do the deal. Otherwise I am keeping my 23 year old with over 200pts in his first 3 seasons in the league.

[ClubFlames]

Hate doing proposals for the exact same reasons Roof-Daddy stated but,

To Philadelphia:
Johnny Gaudreau
16th Overall

To Calgary:
Brayden Schenn
2nd Overall

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So going back to FanIn80's question, what would I want in return if Gaudreau were traded?

Well I'd want good young players with years of team control left. I don't know if this is realistic or not, but there are rumors that Carolina, due to defensive depth, are willing to move Hanifin but they'd want an impact forward in return more than likely.

I hate doing trade proposals on here, because just like real trades, you can never win with everyone, so somebody always comes along and craps on it, and just like with everything else the people who are negative towards something are always much louder than the people who like something. But here goes....

Gaudreau is a star and would help Carolina put butts in the seats. Kylington would give them a nice defense prospect who may be able to slide into their bottom pair as early as next season.


Gaudreau
Kylington

for

Lindholm
Hanifin
Gauthier

Flames get a skilled 22 year old right shot forward in Lindholm. He's nowhere near as good as Johnny, but still brings skill and would instantly be our 1st line RW if GG chose to play him on the wing.

Also get a potential franchise Dman in Hanifin, who can skate really well and also has a good frame at 6'3 210lbs.

Also pick up a big (6'4" 230lb) right wing prospect who can skate really well. Based on his size and skating alone I would suspect he'd push for a roster spot as early as next season.

I don't think a trade like that would be terrible either way, and would probably help both teams. Only thing is, with Carolina they already have Aho and Skinner as their top two left wings, so maybe they'd rather put one of those two into the deal instead of Lindholm. I dunno.

Just an example, but I'd be looking for 25 and under players in return, but more NHL players as opposed to magic beans, like prospects and/or picks.

I don't be know why people are even talking about this, it's stupid.

That said, this one seems pretty reasonable to me. Canes get the best player in the deal, but Calgary adds some depth.

[dissentowner]

Trading Gaudreau would be crazy. Unless someone drastically overpays and I mean drastically the Flames would be crazy to trade him. Not only is he perhaps the most smartest player in the NHL but he is a ball of excitement, still has not hit his peak, and sells a boatload of merchandise.

[Matty81]

Gillies and Gaudreau for Mackinnon and Pickard

I'd rather it be Rittich than Gillies but Mackinnon is just 21, almost half a mil cheaper and signed for an extra year so I feel the flames would need to add more value than Rittich.