Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I wouldn't be so mad if corporations were not raking in record profits.
Food prices as much to do with greed as inflation, in my opinion.

Greed, inflation, and the carbon tax.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Greed, inflation, and the carbon tax.

probably in that order.

[The Fonz]

Not that I believe the current interest rates & inevitable recession are the fault of the Liberals, but you'd have to think that inflation is going to be top of mind for a vast swath of voters and the Liberal tactic of arguing over identity politics and gun reform is not going to play well with voters that can't afford food & shelter.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Yeah, again, you didn't really look at it, or try to even understand it did you?

Yeah, 6 years and you're eligible for a "Full" pension, but how much you get is based on years of service and salary.
Kind of like every other pension.

You don't get $70k for serving 6 years.

Someone who serves 6 years, is getting a wildly different payout than someone who serves for say 20 years...like every pension.

Jesus, this is why the pension thing is so annoying.

Typical person: MPs get giant pensions for life!

Someone who actually took the time to look at it: They get a good pension, to be sure, but it's not wildly different than any other DB pension.

Typical person: They Get a full pension after 6 years! That's crazy!

From what I could gather, the minimum for 6 years would be around $36k a year (I believe at 65). Pretty good, but not "never need to work another day in your life".

Link (ignore the dumb headline)

https://www.benefitscanada.com/pensi...taxpayers-42m/

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Not that I believe the current interest rates & inevitable recession are the fault of the Liberals, but you'd have to think that inflation is going to be top of mind for a vast swath of voters and the Liberal tactic of arguing over identity politics and gun reform is not going to play well with voters that can't afford food & shelter.

This is only true if the cons
1. put forward a clear plan for economic stability.
2. muzzle the social conservatives.

I think 1. can happen, but 2. is what they always trip over. For example, attacks on abortion in the states only hurts the CPC. (not that what happens in USA politics should matter, but it clearly has many Canadian's attention).

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by Azure

It doesn't matter whether or not people understand how inflation works, if food prices continue to go up like this it means people are gonna hurt even more.



https://globalnews.ca/news/9321958/c...e-report-2023/

Food prices will continue to rise every year. The carbon tax affects everything from farm to shelf and continues to rise. We haven't seen anything yet. Every piece of the supply chain for food increases their costs to make up for any expenditure, including carbon taxes. It will continue to drive the costs up.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

This is only true if the cons
1. put forward a clear plan for economic stability.
2. muzzle the social conservatives.

I think 1. can happen, but 2. is what they always trip over. For example, attacks on abortion in the states only hurts the CPC. (not that what happens in USA politics should matter, but it clearly has many Canadian's attention).

Well that fact that about 2/3rds of sitting conservative MPs voted to open the abortion debate around the same time was probably a bad idea as well.

I know they were talking about gender based abortion, but that's just nonsense since there's no way to control for that anyway.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Food prices will continue to rise every year. The carbon tax affects everything from farm to shelf and continues to rise. We haven't seen anything yet. Every piece of the supply chain for food increases their costs to make up for any expenditure, including carbon taxes. It will continue to drive the costs up.

despite that, prices don't need to be as high as they've gotten. That's my issue.

It's the way the world is, but I hate that shareholder profits mean more than anything. No way these guys should be making record profits on top of it.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I wouldn't be so mad if corporations were not raking in record profits.
Food prices as much to do with greed as inflation, in my opinion.

I have zero data to back thus up, but my gut feels like while inflation did raise prices on everything, corporations are using that as an excuse to gouge us.

Corporations: Let's raise our margin and set record profits.

Smithers: But wouldn't people catch on and blame us for screwing them, sir?

Mr. Snrub: No, no, we'll blame our record setting profit on stuff that marginally increased the price, so...

Milk is $8 for 4L ... because ... "inflation" ...

Gas is $2/L ... because ... "carbon tax" ...

... yes ... yes ... that'll do

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

despite that, prices don't need to be as high as they've gotten. That's my issue.

It's the way the world is, but I hate that shareholder profits mean more than anything. No way these guys should be making record profits on top of it.

100%. The entire world, almost every company/corporation has been gouging us post-COVID. It is gross but it's happening. When you shut the world down for parts of two years, those companies are going to find ways to make their money back. Those who weren't effected are still gouging because everyone is getting away with it. It is largely greed driven.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1602974399552004097

[Looch City]

This is it guys, GOODBYE TRUDOPE!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Food prices will continue to rise every year. The carbon tax affects everything from farm to shelf and continues to rise. We haven't seen anything yet. Every piece of the supply chain for food increases their costs to make up for any expenditure, including carbon taxes. It will continue to drive the costs up.

But, but, but.....don't you get a rebate to cover the extra $1k+ in food prices that the average family will pay in 2023? That is what all the carbon tax believers are telling us.

[Northendzone]

mary ng - what do you say about someone who is not only an MP but also a minister who is involved in not one, but two contracts going to her good friend amanda alvaro.

only can only wonder how many more MP are taking care of their friends

pass me some of that $16 orange juice

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Azure

But, but, but.....don't you get a rebate to cover the extra $1k+ in food prices that the average family will pay in 2023? That is what all the carbon tax believers are telling us.

I think attributing the entire cost of the current food increase to the carbon tax is misleading. The government reports on the carbon tax address

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6625612

The above article links to the PBO report and several other studies on economic drag from carbon tax. The PBO report is on the higher side for the impacts of the carbon tax relative to other reports so I think it can be taken as a reasonable source for discussion

Under this report it indicates the net Carbon cost including economic drag which includes lower salaries and numbers of jobs. It puts the full impact for the average Albertan at 2232 with a $170 carbon tax. The Carbom tax increases by $15 next year or 9% of the total. Which would suggest a maximum of $232 of cost increases per household for next years carbon tax. This includes Everything. So we can clearly see that the carbon tax is not what is driving food price increases over the last 2 years.

https://distribution-a61727465666163...98d1eb359ea5c7

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think attributing the entire cost of the current food increase to the carbon tax is misleading. The government reports on the carbon tax address

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6625612

The above article links to the PBO report and several other studies on economic drag from carbon tax. The PBO report is on the higher side for the impacts of the carbon tax relative to other reports so I think it can be taken as a reasonable source for discussion

Under this report it indicates the net Carbon cost including economic drag which includes lower salaries and numbers of jobs. It puts the full impact for the average Albertan at 2232 with a $170 carbon tax. The Carbom tax increases by $15 next year or 9% of the total. Which would suggest a maximum of $232 of cost increases per household for next years carbon tax. This includes Everything. So we can clearly see that the carbon tax is not what is driving food price increases over the last 2 years.

https://distribution-a61727465666163...98d1eb359ea5c7

Could also just consider the US that doesn't have a carbon tax and is right next to us - has higher food inflation rates than Canada - which would logically lead one to believe the impact of the carbon tax isn't much of a cause.

[PepsiFree]

I love that we get to fact check the carbon tax debate every two months in here. It’s almost as if it’s not about the reality of the situation for some people and instead just a mindless partisan political gripe.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Could also just consider the US that doesn't have a carbon tax and is right next to us - has higher food inflation rates than Canada - which would logically lead one to believe the impact of the carbon tax isn't much of a cause.

That doesn't really allow Pierre to tweet out Justinflation dog whistles though. How's he gonna rile them up then? Make up more ####?

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Looch City

This is it guys, GOODBYE TRUDOPE!

I wouldn’t be so sure yet. The Cons got hammered in the Mississauga byelection this week. They were expected to lose but the Liberal margin of victory actually increased.

If the Cons don’t make inroads in the GTA, they aren’t winning an election. Their best path to victory is honestly a stronger NDP - they need more vote splitting - but that isn’t likely to happen any time soon.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by madmike

I wouldn’t be so sure yet. The Cons got hammered in the Mississauga byelection this week. They were expected to lose but the Liberal margin of victory actually increased.

If the Cons don’t make inroads in the GTA, they aren’t winning an election. Their best path to victory is honestly a stronger NDP - they need more vote splitting - but that isn’t likely to happen any time soon.

There is a lot of strategic voting in the GTA. If people think the Cons have a chance and they push too far right - they'll coalesce around one party. That's the Doug Ford secret - he doesn't get people riled up against him - so they just vote for whoever and he sneaks up the right and wins.