Russia invades Ukraine

[Monahammer]

I am also still wondering how Putin lives after this? This is a dead man walking. There is no outcome in which he can stay living after all that has happened. His own people will want him dead, even the formerly super wealthy ones that he helped stay in power. Obviously he will find no respite anywhere else on earth. I just don't see how he escapes this.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I am also still wondering how Putin lives after this? This is a dead man walking. There is no outcome in which he can stay living after all that has happened. His own people will want him dead, even the formerly super wealthy ones that he helped stay in power. Obviously he will find no respite anywhere else on earth. I just don't see how he escapes this.

this is wrong.

He'll be fine once he gets out of Russia. There are always countries that will accept him and his billions.
Look at history. There is always a home for evil.

I'm more worried about what destruction he'll accomplish before he's gone.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

this is wrong.

He'll be fine once he gets out of Russia. There are always countries that will accept him and his billions.
Look at history. There is always a home for evil.

I'm more worried about what destruction he'll accomplish before he's gone.

Where, North Korea?

His Billions of rubles are worth nothing now. I don't think the Russians will let him steal the gold in the treasury. I wonder what kind of other assets he can try to barter?

It just seems like he's penned in. The financial restrictions are quite severe.

[Ozy_Flame]

Putin will be in safe exile long before he's whacked. There are more than enough places in the Middle East, Central and South Asia and Africa that will harbor murderous dictators. Idi Amin lived a relatively peaceful life in Saudi Arabia after his exile.

If he is removed from power forcibly and doesn't go into foreign exile, I'm sure there's more than enough places across Russia that would let him hide well until a natural death.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Every dead Russian soldier means less innocent lives lost in Ukraine, so yes death to then all. Exceptions granted for those with strong enough morals to immediately surrender to Ukrainian forces or even just going MIA. But every Russian soldier firing a weapon in Ukrainian territory doesn't deserve to go home

Time for Operation Valkyrie part 2 where they use an Ikea table for Putin.
Instant death.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

https://twitter.com/user/status/1501484564564303873

See! this is why we don't need new planes. He didn't even complain or yell at us to close the skies!

We'll just be Canada. Give them tons of supplies and aid.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Russia hits 1,000 photo confirmed vehicle loses.

For those in the know...I'd be curious to know what percentage of their arsenal has Russia dedicated for this war? Is losing a 1000 vehicles just a tiny blip in the overall Russian arsenal, or is it significant amount?

Even if it's mostly older Soviet junk, I would assume it would still take quite a bit of time and money to rebuild, potentially having them rethink, or at least delay, any other "denazification" operations in the near future. But perhaps that's wishful thinking, and a 1000 vehicles is just a rounding error in the big picture.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Table 5

For those in the know...I'd be curious to know what percentage of their arsenal has Russia dedicated for this war? Is losing a 1000 vehicles just a tiny blip in the overall Russian arsenal, or is it significant amount?

Even if it's mostly older Soviet junk, I would assume it would still take quite a bit of time and money to rebuild, potentially having them rethink, or at least delay, any other "denazification" operations in the near future. But perhaps that's wishful thinking, and a 1000 vehicles is just a rounding error in the big picture.

Russia: tanks: 12,420; armoured vehicles: 30,122; self-propelled artillery: 6,574; towed artillery: 7,571; rocket projectors: 3,391.

https://www.forces.net/news/russia-v...litaries-stack

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

See! this is why we don't need new planes. He didn't even complain or yell at us to close the skies!

We'll just be Canada. Give them tons of supplies and aid.

Okay, but easy to say when the conflict is 10,000 miles from home

[Table 5]

So under 2% of their overall arsenal (assuming that everything has equal value, which I know it doesn't). So probably not enough to make a big strategic dent in the big picture?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Table 5

So under 2% of their overall arsenal (assuming that everything has equal value, which I know it doesn't). So probably not enough to make a big strategic dent in the big picture?

It would be interesting to know how much of that arsenal can actually move on its own.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Table 5

So under 2% of their overall arsenal (assuming that everything has equal value, which I know it doesn't). So probably not enough to make a big strategic dent in the big picture?

With what we've seen from Russian vehicles currently deployed, I'd wager they have far fewer vehicles in running condition than what the official numbers say. Seems like Russian commanders are far more likely to let their vehicles rot in the sun and pocket any money for maintenance than they are to actually keep them in good condition

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Okay, but easy to say when the conflict is 10,000 miles from home

Hey there has to be benefits to share the world's longest unsecured border with a 3rd world country.

U S A!
U S A!

I'll even do that moronic chant when they defend us.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Table 5

So under 2% of their overall arsenal (assuming that everything has equal value, which I know it doesn't). So probably not enough to make a big strategic dent in the big picture?

under 2% yes, but Russia (and everyone else) has to be looking at it and saying Russia doesn't have X number of items, they have X / n items, where n is some percentage of obsolescence

it's a big blow to their reputation

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by Table 5

So under 2% of their overall arsenal (assuming that everything has equal value, which I know it doesn't). So probably not enough to make a big strategic dent in the big picture?

It's actually a pretty big dent, Russia can't pull up a lot of their forces to move to Ukraine. Dictators need to project force at home, plus is always busy in Georgia and Kazakhstan regions. If they just pulled out of there, things would hit the fan fast.


Plus Russia is huge, they can't pull force out of the East, plus not sure what those local populations would do, maybe they'd just declare independence.

Add on top of that, Russia's involvement in Syria.

Also for context, the coalition lost 274 aircraft in 20 years in Afghanistan.

[Fuzz]

https://www.gfsis.org/maps/russian-military-forces


This is a good map of their deployment. If you select "all units" on the left, then turn off the air stuff, you can click on all the land based icons and see what is there. I'd imagine a lot of the equipment is either committed elsewhere, or not worth bringing in.

[nik-]

I wonder if the opposition in Belarus takes another shot at Lukashenko now.

[dammage79]

I'm still baffled how Russia hasn't even flexed their collective muscle yet. I refuse to believe until I see that their entire armed forces have become rusted out lawn ornaments.

They haven't even flexed their naval presence properly.
And I still cannot believe they've used the best parts of their airforce.

I mean that is unless they completely missed the boat on how the rest of the world has gone away from old arsenal deployment strategies over the decades. But I can't see that! Like they've been in recent combat theaters as much as anyone! So how have they so completely missed the mark here? I don't get it. Even a simpleton like me is scratching my head at how the world's 2nd strongest military is just getting destroyed by the simplest deployment of mid range drones.

I'm still think that they're playing possum. Just don't understand why.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm still baffled how Russia hasn't even flexed their collective muscle yet. I refuse to believe until I see that their entire armed forces have become rusted out lawn ornaments.

They haven't even flexed their naval presence properly.
And I still cannot believe they've used the best parts of their airforce.

I mean that is unless they completely missed the boat on how the rest of the world has gone away from old arsenal deployment strategies over the decades. But I can't see that! Like they've been in recent combat theaters as much as anyone! So how have they so completely missed the mark here? I don't get it. Even a simpleton like me is scratching my head at how the world's 2nd strongest military is just getting destroyed by the simplest deployment of mid range drones.

I'm still think that they're playing possum. Just don't understand why.

Turkey has blocked entry to the Black Sea for any ships not already there.

And they seem to have issues with their air force.

That said - I know nothing about military forces but I assume they are using what they think will work best or what they are willing risk.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Where, North Korea?

His Billions of rubles are worth nothing now. I don't think the Russians will let him steal the gold in the treasury. I wonder what kind of other assets he can try to barter?

It just seems like he's penned in. The financial restrictions are quite severe.

Like Ozy_Flame said, there are quite a few places that would likely take him with open arms.

And I doubt his whole fortune is in Rubles. There is no doubt he had laundered a lot of his money long ago, like many of the oligarchs have.